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  • A 63-year-old man died on a Lufthansa flight on Thursday, according to Swiss-German outlet Blick.
  • Witnesses told the outlet the man had blood gushing from his nose and mouth.
  • The witnesses said passengers were screaming at the sight.
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[–] Eczpurt@lemmy.world 172 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Any idea what kind of health complication causes blood to gush from your nose and mouth? Sounds insane to watch especially when you can't leave the immediate area...

[–] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 364 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Critical care nurse here. The answer is esophageal varices.

It's the same physiological anomaly as hemorrhoids, except in your esophagus. Swollen, fragile veins caused by increased internal pressure. In the case of hemorrhoids, that pressure inside the veins is caused by straining too much when trying to poo. In esophageal varices, the increased pressure inside the esophageal veins comes from blood backing up from a swollen, scarred, and damaged liver. So we often see esophageal varices in end stage alcohol use disorder.

Horror stories abound in emergency departments and ICUs of having to do CPR on a patient massively hemorrhaging out of their mouth from esophageal varices. As soon as nurses I know saw this report, our immediate thought was, "Yep, varices."

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/15429-esophageal-varices

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

My wife's aunt died from Cirrhosis of the liver and "so much blood" is exactly what my wife said she saw.

[–] Kiosade@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just another reason I’m glad I don’t care to drink alcohol… did not know this was even a thing 🤢

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Well that is pretty horrific

[–] Vex_Detrause@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

The only time I see ER docs panics and asked for another ER doc to be on "stand by" for emotional support is when they need to change a leaky Blakemore tube.

[–] Sekrayray@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

You know it’s a been a bad day when you arrive to your shift and the Blakemore box is out…

[–] badmemes@feddit.de 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I forgot the medical term but when you have a REALLY bad liver the blood starts to take other ways to the heart to circumvent it (kollateral paths).

One path is going through your oesophagus so your venes widen very much. With the widening the risk of a rupture starts to increase very much and as soon as it does, there is nothing much that can save you.

I am not saying he got that but the description fits very much on point.

[–] jalatani@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

The word you're looking for is esophageal varices

[–] sizzler@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Obviously I doubt this but it's a final phase of ebola.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Nah ebola is more of a oozing bloody mass. Gushing isn't possible because low blood pressure is another complication. Also, late stage ebola this man wouldn't be walking anywhere. Let alone well enough to be allowed on a airplane.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Disseminated intravascular coagulation, it's when you get a bunch of clots, that uses up all your platelets, and you bleed out because you can no longer clot.

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This wouldn't explain what caused the bleed in the first place, nor how rapidly and profusely they were bleeding. Esophageal varices is a better explanation

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, your explanation is probably a better one.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For real, I need a plausible explanation

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Check the comments again, seems like we got it 🙂

[–] Maeve@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Ebola virus?

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oddly enough, alcohol abuse. It’s called esophageal varices.

It’s basically caused by veins in your esophagus rupturing. The same way you can have veins hemorrhage near your anus, causing hemorrhoids. In your esophagus, it’s usually caused by an enlarged liver putting pressure on the surrounding veins. And an enlarged liver is usually caused by end-stage alcoholism.

So the dude had an enlarged liver, (likely sue to a lifetime of alcohol abuse,) popped veins in his esophagus, and started coughing up massive amounts of blood. The dude likely wouldn’t have survived even if he was sitting in an ER when it happened. By the time it happens, it’s usually too late to fix; The victim will drown in their own blood before doctors have a chance to fix it.

But as a random onlooker with no idea what’s happening, it’s absolutely horrifying to see. It looks like something straight out the beginning of a zombie movie. Hell, even if you know exactly what’s happening, it’s still horrifying to see. But at least if you recognize it, you know it’s not contagious.

Source: Dated an EMT for a while, and she had a patient deal with one right after we started dating. I got morbidly curious, and regret the ensuing google searches.

[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I want to know too

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 147 points 1 year ago

Probably scared him too

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 69 points 1 year ago

Still better than flying next to a baby.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Imagine sitting next to this guy when it happens. That must be fuckin traumatizing

[–] Rooter@lemmy.world 62 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Imagine being that guy dying, listening to you scream your brains out in his final moments.

[–] june@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seems like both suck pretty badly.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

imagine being the one trying to give him CPR

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[–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Ruined clothes 😱

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago

Hugs to his family and the poor flight crew who are no doubt traumatized by this and probably having to deal with an investigation, etc.

[–] fsr1967@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

I've seen this movie. It did not end well.

[–] intro@lemmynsfw.com 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jesus, the beginning of the Fringe series came to my mind!

[–] heydo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

That's the show, thank you! I was thinking X-Files but I just knew it was wrong.

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[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have read horror stories that started like this. I am not sure I want to know what happened.

[–] massive_bereavement@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

If I was in the plane, I would be like "yep, it's a coin toss between zombies or the strain."

[–] jalatani@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've seen some esophageal varices as a medic and let me tell you those guys are bleeders. Feel bad for people not knowing the situation, it honestly would look like he had something contagious so I can understand the freaking out. People barely survive this with care immediately available in a hospital so he really had no hope once it ruptured.

[–] medgremlin@midwest.social 9 points 1 year ago

That was my thought too. A portal hypertensive crisis following exertion leading to rupture of varices. I can't think of much else that would present like that besides maybe Ebola Zaire or something, but that would have a noticeable prodrome and "coffee grounds" in the emesis.

[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I ate a hot dog at the airport in San Juan once. The result is I lost 1/3 of my body weight, but it wasn't blood.

[–] MxM111@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd rather wait for some more reliable sources than Business Insider quoting from Blick. But yeah, scary.

[–] athos77@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Well, Business Insider did link to flightradar, which shows that the flight in question (they said this past Thursday, which was the 8th) did in fact divert and return to the originating airport at Bangkok on that day. Which isn't necessarily great evidence, but it's better than nothing.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 12 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A 63-year-old man died during a Lufthansa flight this week after losing "liters of blood' in a scene that terrified passengers.

The unidentified man boarded a Lufthansa flight from Bangkok to Munich with his wife on Thursday, according to Swiss-German outlet Blick.

Witnesses Martin and Karin Missfelder told Blick that they sat in the row diagonally behind the male passenger and his wife.

"He then called for a doctor over the loudspeaker and a young, around 30-year-old man from Poland with poor English looked at the German," Karin Missfelder said.

Data from flightradar24, an online air traffic tracker, showed that the flight departed from the Bangkok International Airport at 12:07 a.m. before diverting back amid the chaos.

Last year, Lufthansa made headlines after a flight from Texas to Germany experienced severe turbulence that sent people and food flying into the air.


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[–] lanolinoil@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Time to book an AirBnb in the far away country for 29 days

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

you guys ever read The Strain?

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