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Beehaw* defederated us? (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by can@sh.itjust.works to c/main@sh.itjust.works
 
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[–] Hanabie@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They made the users suffer for their unwillingness to cope with their situation.

Instead of planning ahead and only accepting a limited amount of users, which would have severed only a fraction of users from us, they decided to grow to become one of the biggest instances, and now took some interesting communities with them, along with cutting off their own users from communities here.

I hope their user base migrates to other, more open instances, and the communities lost will spring into existence elsewhere.

[–] mercurly@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Wow... I'm new here so I'm still learning how all this works but I tried to apply to beehaw at first and they were having severe issues with their approval system so I either got denied or, most likely, got stuck in application purgatory.

Honestly, with how Lemmy is set up, it seems like it makes more sense to cater your instance to a more niche crowd than "all nice people" like beehaw was attempting to do.

[–] Hanabie@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What's most regrettable is the timing. Just when Lemmy had a big growth spurt, they cut off a big part of the community. We'll likely see this happen again in 2 weeks, when Reddit shuts down all 3rd party mobile apps, and again when they close old.reddit. I hope that some of the issues Lemmy currently faces will be fixed by then.

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[–] lvl@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Well, look at the bright side: the evolution of descentralized federation now depends on the moderation topic. I wouldn't be surprised if someone takes federation to the next level and creates a moderation tool which would work out of the box for the fediverse, at the technology level (e.g. ActivityPub).

If and when this happens, federation has a bigger chance in replacing current centralized social networks.

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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Link

Wait, I'm confused, it's beehaw that defederated with us?

this is also not a permanent judgement. in the future as tools develop, cultures settle, attitudes and interest change, and the wave of newcomers settles down, we'll reassess whether we feel capable of refederating with these communities.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

This is c/support@beehaw.org federated onto Kbin. Beehaw is defedding from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works.

Edit: So that is how you make a working link across the fediverse.

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[–] Whooping_Seal@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago (9 children)

I actually am a little curious what TheDude’s opinion is on open vs closed registration policy. If having a closed registration policy is all that is needed for beehaw to refederate then perhaps that is an option, otherwise let us just hope the necessary mod tools (or more than 4 beehaw mods) happen to allow for refederation. It’s a shame since I feel like this is a really important / formative time and I do not think larger instances defederating is productive.

But that’s just my uneducated 2 cents :p

[–] nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Beehaws just weird honestly, at that point they would be running this instance and how we accept and moderate users. I agree it's a very poor time and I bet reddit admins and redditors are laughing at us struggling to form a community.

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[–] WorseDoughnut@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago

Disappointing but I understand it in the sense that their goal has always been "safe, controlled community" way before they accidentally became one of the largest instances.

I had an account there first, and then made one on kbin since the federation issues with kbin could have potentially lasted awhile, but after this I think it's best to leave beehaw behind if this if going to be any indication of how they're handling their inability to properly moderate at scale. Big red flag IMO.

[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago (6 children)
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[–] AndreTelevise@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I was never able to sign up or log into Beehaw. It's very limited in terms of who it allows to sign up, and the waitlist is probably incredibly long.
This cutoff means that I'll have to live without being able to participate in a lot of discussions, which defeats the purpose of joining the fediverse entirely.
It's just as useful to me as using Reddit right now, even less so with how much less popular Lemmy instances are currently.

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[–] DioTheSuperiorWaifi@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Would this mean that there'll be no access to communities on Beehaw?
Could someone list the popular communities in Beehaw and their alternatives on other instances?
I think that'd be useful.

[–] Faceman2K23@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

only to people on the instances they are defederating from, so smaller instances and selfhosters will be unaffected.

Gotta wait for better modding tools and scripts to become available, wont take long.

[–] tallwookie@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (13 children)

but I can still access beehaw from lemmy.world and post on beehaw - so it has yet to occur or something's fucky

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