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I am genuinely confused by hexbear's opinion on the Ukraine war (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 8 months ago by mozz@mbin.grits.dev to c/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

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What I have learned:

Russia has already won the Ukraine war
Which NATO started
A lot of people in the West think that Ukraine should surrender
Also Ukraine was the world's main provider of CSAM
Also Ukraine is exploited by the West but if they can unite with Russia then their economy and everything else will finally be alright

It's literally like a bizarro world and everyone is over there agreeing with it. I'm genuinely confused by, who even are these people (what is the mixture of Russian bots / Russian-aligned ordinary people / confused Westerners / some other explanation.)

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[–] Cikos@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I really want to ukraine to win and retake all of its territory back but some of its points do make sense in a way, russia is turning to wartime economy, backed by china starting to plug flaws that we laugh at them year ago.

they news that russia able to strike ukraine infrastructure that ukraine has thwarted a while back means theyre facing critical shortage of anti missile and uav arms.

ukraine also facing manpower problems, zelensky lowered the drafting age requirement but i doubt its still enough, the likelihood of concession in ukraine favor is unlikely in current time but i hope with lifting of target bans from newly supplied arms from the west could tip that in the future

[–] Jayjader@jlai.lu -2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

OP, the link is to lemmygrad.ml but you keep citing lemmy.ml in this thread; are you mixing up the 2 without realizing it or do you intend to mean both?

I haven't seen much of anything on lemmy.ml that reaches grad.ml's level of what you describe. Then again, I stick mostly to somewhat-niche interest subreddits that receive a decent amount of participation from other federated servers.

In my experience even hexbear users are surprisingly (for the internet) good and decent to others, as long as you can avoid provoking their "the capitalist US empire is the current hegemony that's killing the planet and ourselves, and we don't punch down, therefore our vitriol is a uni-directional torrent" mode of operation that others in this thread have mentioned.

Obviously, the classical "cult" approach resembles that as well (love-bomb anyone not explicitly an enemy, close ranks against any potential discrediting of the movement). In my books most of them are ordinary people, from whom (legitimate) despair of the current state of the world has leeched all desire for compromise.

I don't have a less patronizing way of saying it, but they remind me of someone who, after years of abuse by their partner, finally snaps and gravely injures said partner. In some sense, it's on the rest of us to not have intervened beforehand, and at the same time their lashing out really doesn't help things.

Oh, and this probably reads as hippy anar-kiddy logic to them, which is part of why I personally stay away from most of their politics-related communities.

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