Emotions? Sure.
Like us?
I dunno. Does irate fury at being woken up mid nap count as “like us”?
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I'm gonna go with absolutely.
That's exactly how I feel when someone wakes me up mid nap so yeah.
Yes
"Fuck you, feed me" - cat
Man, mine go nuts being happy to see us.
MEOW!
Eh, we can leave our cats for a week with plenty of food, etc., and they're still thrilled when we return.
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emotions yes. Like us, I don't have the capabilities to determine if their emotions are like ours.
My cat: I pissed three times on your stuff while you were away because fuck you and your shitty ‘healthy’ food
Same evening: cuddles? cuddles! cuddle me human, yes scratches behind the ears!
They don't have emotions like us but they have emotions similar to ours.
How would you define like us vs similar to us?
Humans can have more complex emotions. We can be stressed about theoretical concepts that animals just are not equipped to understand. We can be excited by the prospect of future events.
Most animal emotions are immediate. They enjoy some food they eat, they find a nice warm spot to bask in, they see a predator and run away. Most animals lack the mental capacity to think beyond the immediate.
I mean, that could just be a fault in observation. The same line of thinking was utilized by people like Thomas Jefferson to validate his own use of slavery.
The language we use to describe intellect and emotions are inseparable from biased interpretation by humans. Can all humans "stress about theoretical concepts"? If a human lacks the ability to do so, do they become less human, or more animalistic?
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go vegan!
Silly vegoon, only the cute animals I didn't want to eat have feelings. The others are unfeeling slabs of meat that is magically created by wholesome farmers being folksy.
A few coworkers refer to cows as giant dogs. Then they sell them to be butchered.
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As a new parent the agriculture propaganda from the very start is crazy! Look at this happy farmer and his cute pig its so happy in its mudpit, what a wholesome picture!
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I don't eat meat, but the more we learn about plant intelligence, the less I can say with confidence that plants do not have their equivalents of things like pain and emotion. It doesn't help that we have great difficulty defining what emotion means.
But we know a lot about plants now that we thought were animal things. Grass "panics" or "screams" by sending out chemical signals when you cut it as a warning to others of its species that they are seriously injured and danger is coming. That's what the smell of fresh-cut grass is. Sure, calling it a panic or a scream is anthropomorphizing it, but it's kind of hard to describe it in other terms.
We also have learned about "mother trees," which will send resources to their offspring if the offspring let the mother tree know they are in desperate need of them. Which sounds very much like parenting in animal species. There's also lots of evidence that plants can learn from experiences and retain some sort of memory of them in some capacity.
Do I think plants have the same sort of sentience as animals and will I stop eating broccoli? Of course not. But I will still have to admit that at the end of the day, I might just be choosing to cause a different kingdom of life pain and suffering because it's far enough away from my species that I don't consider that to be pain and suffering.
If you're eating meat, then you're contributing to the death of all of those plants that had to feed the animals you're eating. Even if you grant plants sentience, veganism is still the more ethical option.
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Just don't try to force it on your pets.
Cats are obligate carnivores.
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