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I've noticed in the Linux community whenever someone asks for a recommendation on a laptop that runs Linux the answer is always "Get a Thinkpad" yet Lenovo doesn't seem to be a big Linux contributor or ally. There's also at least six Linux/FOSS-oriented computer manufacturers now:

So what gives? Why the love for a primarily Windows-oriented laptop when there are better alternatives?

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[–] 20gramsWrench@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago

those manufacturer either have to charge thouthands, or use the cheapest possible hardware they can find to be interesting compared to the thinkpads of old, which can take a punch or two and get replacement parts

[–] sab@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Bought my last few laptops from Tuxedo. Their 13" infinibook can be quite noisy, but I'm having a blast with the Polaris I bought last year.

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[–] boo@lemmy.one 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not sure, but, I dont think any of them are available outside usa/europe. Lenovo has more global coverage

[–] sic_semper_tyrannis@feddit.ch 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Framework is available outside of those areas.

[–] morhp@lemmy.wtf 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's available, but they're still US based and basically importing it, you don't have proper EU customer protection or EU warranty* for example. I wouldn't buy it just because of that.

* They give 2 years of warranty for their EU customers, but not EU wide as would be required if actually selling from the EU. You also have basically no chance to sue then or otherwise demand anything if they for some reason ignore your warranty claim.

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[–] estebanlm@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

for another (other than Tuxedo) EU based solution: https://slimbook.es/en/
(They are at Valencia, Spain).
But I have no about idea its quality as I have never tried one.

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[–] SoaringDE@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago

Had Tuxedo experience: 3/5 at most Had ThinkPad experience: 4/5 at least

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago

The first machine I ever installed with a distro was an MSI Ultrabook and Linux, out of the box, visibly improved the overall performance of the machine, with no need for benchmarking. After tweaking and fine tunning, it only improved.

After that came a long series of Asus, a few HP, one or two Dell. Always flawless installs, out of the box. The only exception I can remember of was a very specific HP model where the modem had to be manually installed.

Having a hand full of companies designing and building for linux feels like being part of an exclusive, Apple-like club; the prices are high, the choice limited.

We should be pressing the industry to recognize the linux ecosystem for what it is: a stable OS, with an ever growing user base with money to spend that want quality support for the equipments they buy.

[–] morhp@lemmy.wtf 4 points 2 years ago

Framework has some quality problems, not everyone is a fan of the keyboard, and it's relatively expensive.

Tuxedo is quite good, but they often use stock Clevo models and customize them, so they might be cheaper and not that well designed than one by a "proper brand".

Not sure about the rest.

There's very little alternative if you want a ThinkPad style keyboard and track pad/trackpoint for the price of a used or older ThinkPad.

[–] pwr22@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago

Entroware is another you could add to the list. I had a good experience buying from them. They do the usual Clevo OEM things.

[–] ExLisper@linux.community 4 points 2 years ago

Also Vant and Slimbook from Spain. I own a PC from Vant and I'm happy with it but I would think twice before buying a laptop for 1.5k when I can just get a used lenovo for half that price and use it for next 10 years.

[–] fedorafan@iusearchlinux.fyi 4 points 2 years ago

One factor is that laptops need a little more design work to build out main boards and validate relative to a desktop, especially considering that you optimizing for power draw and that very little of the design is socketed. As a result a good chunk of the Linux laptop market uses OEM provided designs and then tailors their software around it. Last I heard system76 was working to bring that design work in house.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Price, used thinkpads are cheap. I know I can get parts basically anywhere too.

[–] gerdesj@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

I tend to use other people's cast-offs at work. Win 10 slow? JG gets an upgrade! I whip the SSD or M.2 or whatever I'm using out of the old one and pop it in the "new" one.

[–] 0xeb@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They still do a good job with build quality and I use them for work. I also use framework 13 as my personal computer, it is great and I like it but it does not feel as premium as my work laptop. It is probably a trade off for modularity though

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[–] tal@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Last time I was looking, they were one of the few laptops that I've seen that come with a trackpad with three mechanical buttons. Linux makes better use of three buttons than some other environments, and I like mechanical buttons.

There may be other vendors out there now that also do so.

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