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I keep thinking this would have been a much better sell to devs and to users. I have always used Sync, and Boost. I tried the official app a few times, but really only used it for the chat feature. I didn't want to pay for it, but (I am embarrassed to admit it) I would pay premium to keep my app. I think this would have worked out better for Reddit than the garbage they are pulling right now.

Would that have been a more reasonable solution in your opinion as well?

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[–] heartlessevil@lemmy.one 13 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I would have considered that at the start, but at this point they've damaged their ecosystem so much, and correspondingly Lemmy has grown a lot, so I don't see why I would go back either way.

[–] HERRAX@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah, the fact that he seems devoted to following musk's business practices leaves litte faith for Reddit to ever get back on the right track again. Besides, I'm loving my time here at the fediverse and will probably start selfhosting my own private Lemmy server soon!

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[–] FrickAndMortar@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Three weeks ago, I totally would have… Apollo was life! Now, I don’t think anything could lure me back…

With Spez’s comments about how Reddit has all this data, and “we’re not going to just give that away for free”, I think anyone left on that platform is going to get sold so hard to anyone with two nickels to rub together, that they will effectively have zero privacy or anonymity… no thanks, Spez.

[–] lrabbt@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah, the problem rn is that Reddit is shitting on its users, sometime ago, I'd pay, but now I'm gone for good, even if they revert everything

[–] Alto@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Had they come out and said "hey guys, we really need to actually be making money here. We know it's not ideal, but itll allow us to further invest in the site and its community", there really wouldn't have been a fuss. Sure people would have been upset, but most would've gotten it.

Instead they have to act like petulant children throwing a temper tantrum when they don't get exactly what they want exactly when they want it.

[–] Myriadblue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

If that had been the compromise, that users of this party apps needed to be premium, I'd have grumbled, but thought 50 a year is worth it to subsidize the costs of running the site without ads using the api.

Now, hell no. I'm transitioning the community I ran to lemmy, and trying to start communities here. Between lemmy, tildes, and royal road, I have everything I had on reddit.

[–] phlemmy@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

They've showed extremely bad faith. That's hard to recover from.

[–] Fickle_Ferret@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (13 children)

Hah, no. Are you asking if I want to pay for access to a platform that is already dependant on its users to create or aggregate content, while they are already making ad money off my eyeballs? Heck, no, never. If that site cannot make enough money on ads alone, while being one /were of the most visited non-porn sites on the internet, then maybe they should reconsider their other expenses. E.x. Is it really necessary to have a downtown office in an expensive us city, or pay out high CEO wages. I can only really conclude that they are being stupid about this. If they want me back, they are going to have to beg.

[–] whofearsthenight@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago

They took a 250m funding round and used it to build an nft site. reddit's problems are 100% self created. Think about how ama's used to be and how they managed to kill that. They could have had several revenue streams just based on ama's.

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[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 years ago

If they had given us a heads up that we would need a subscription, early enough in advance.

If they didnt limit the content we could access.

If the price wasnt ridiculous - Im not paying Netflix, Amazon Prime, or Game Pass money to access a web forum.

Then sure.

But Spez fucked it up. Hes shown that he really doesnt care about the communities, the people that make it up, or even reddit itself. Hes too bent on making that IPO and bailing out as soon as he can.

[–] dvdnet90@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If Reddit want to settle this conflict peacefully. I want to do that. But, with recent news today I don't think so

[–] AttackBunny@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If you had asked me a month ago, I’d have said absolutely, as long as it keep Reddit alive.

Now? Absofuckinglutely not. I’m a firm believer in putting my money where my mouth is. I haven’t accessed Reddit (intentionally) since the 11th. And my original plan was to see how it all played out, and still probably browse only when I’m at my desk, on my laptop. Watching it all unfold, I’m absolutely disgusted with the choices they are making, and more so with how they are treating everyone, privately, and publicly.

I won’t be going back to Reddit. And I’m ok with that. It was honestly already a bit too……money-grubbing anyhow, and all this last week just solidified that for me.

[–] LifeInOregon@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

The intentionally part is my only difficulty. I’d not realized until last week just how many search results were Reddit threads. I need to start excluding Reddit from my search results.

[–] Viper_NZ@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think if they'd framed it properly, in that by using Apollo I'm bypassing their ad revenue and costing them money, I'd see it as a reasonable compromise that I pay for Premium to support the company and carry on using Reddit in the way I preferred.

Now? Fuck u/spez

[–] garretble@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah. Like two or three weeks ago if they said third party apps need to create a couple dollar per month subscription, then I probably would have bit. Now, with the current leadership? Nope.

[–] roofuskit@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

Lol, not anymore.

[–] Onii-Chan@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

lmao fuck no. I was on reddit for 12 years until recently, but at this point, there's nothing they can do to win back my trust. Reddit is just another corporate giant these days, and has been for a long time. Huffman is the reason I no longer wish to support reddit in any form, and they can make promises all they want - I've happily jumped ship and will be staying here.

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[–] Burndown@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, the reason I left Reddit last week has little to do with with third party app issue. I left because the CEO has shown he isn't interested in listening or addressing community concerns.

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago

This. He's just another arrogant authoritarian who doesn't understand where Reddit's value comes from. It's the users who will decide if Reddit survives or not, NOT the CEO's. We've seen this attitude before. Hollywood has been destroying franchises for years because they think they know better than the fans.

[–] Obstruct7794@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I never paid for it before and I wouldn't start now. Especially not after how they've been handling the whole situation.

I do agree with what you're saying, though. Many people would have been fine with paying to keep their favourite apps.

[–] Moonrise2473@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

I wouldn't have paid for, but i would have accepted much better. "API usage is ad free hence only premium users can access it" is much better than "API users are freeloaders that take more than they are giving, fuck them!"

[–] WorldieBoi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No way. I've lost all faith in Reddit as a company.

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[–] reversebananimals@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

I might have a week ago, but after hearing Huffman say he hopes to run reddit like Elon Musk runs Twitter - no.

[–] cocolopez@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

No, once they showed what they're up to, this could happen again in some new kind of paywall. Really hope Lemmy continue it's ascension

[–] ulu_mulu@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I wouldn't go back to reddit even if they paid me to do it.

[–] tsp@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago

Those are big ifs, but: if the API prices would have been reasonable and if the Reddit leadership hadn’t acted as they have, I think I might have been willing to pay for Premium. As it stands, Reddit leadership has destroyed a lot of trust, so for me that ship has sailed.

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[–] JRepin@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Absolutely not. If I learned something from Twitter and Facebook and Reddit fiascos then it is to never ever let youself be trapped into a closed-source, centralized for-profit platform. So NO, unless they make it completely open source and decentralised so anyone can setup their own instance. But then again we already have Fediverse and Mastodon and Lemmy... so why bother with that, let's improve what treasure we already have.

[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago
[–] m-p-3@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

That was my initial suggestion and IMO the change wouldn't be the PR nightmare that it currently is. It would have been a fair middle ground: you don't make it financially devastating for the 3PA devs, the Premium users don't get ads so that would be fair that 3PA don't get shown ads through the API and Reddit gets financially compensated for it.

At this point I kinda lost faith in Reddit. I don't expect them to honor whatever they say, so I won't be subscribing anymore.

[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Lol no, fuck Reddit. Enough is enough. There's no salvaging that.

I mean, it's not a theoretical scenario, Infinity is going the paid route so you can do just that if you want. Except of all nsfw, which is exactly what I was using Infinity for. Anyway poor Infinity dev, putting their head into the lion's mouth.

[–] millions@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

With how spez is handling this? No.

[–] randomperson@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Some time ago most likely yes. As for now I would never go back to reddit.

[–] 0xtero@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

No, I'm done. My accounts are gone. Not interested in starting over

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It would depend on the price, and also we would need to live in a hypothetical world where Reddit hasn't done any of the stupid shit they've done in the past month. As of right now, I can't imagine giving Reddit my money knowing what a PoS spez is

[–] sijt@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah this is the thing. I would have happily paid it before spez revealed himself to be an irredeemable piece of shit. Now, I've no interest in filling his coffers. Policy needs to change and he needs to go, no negotiation, I don't trust him and I don't think he's a good steward for the site.

[–] s_s@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If this was an option, Reddit would have done it.

But, their goal here is to completely deplatform 3rd party apps, and my assumption is that they are doing this so that their number of active users can't be verified and those numbers can be pumped up--by counting bots and all sorts of crap.

This is the same tactic Twitter used when they were negotiating with Elon. More "users" is more money.

[–] empyrean@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

No, bridge is already burnt.

[–] primaryuser@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

No. Even if they decided to do something to placate us today, they've shown their hand and demonstrated they don't give a shit about their userbase. I have no plans of going back. Period.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

Maybe before spez dug his heels in the ground. But now he's said too much. He admires Elon? Fuck off.

[–] Jacobp100@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I would have

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