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I mean there's Reddit ofc, as well as Twitter in its entirety, Discord is implementing some dumb updates, there are issues with Tumblr as well as everything to do with Meta, and I'm sure there are plenty more (and I haven't even touched other digital media, for example the Sims). Why is it all happening in the span of about a couple months?

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[–] solstice@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Related question: why does it feel like hollywood is intent on completely destroying all of our beloved franchises? It's not like the place isn't overflowing with incredibly talented artists, writers, actors, producers, etc. I just don't understand why it's so hard for them to make something that isn't garbage.

[–] radicalpikachu@vlemmy.net 3 points 2 years ago

Spiderverse is goated and is very different from MCU.

[–] geotechland@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

This video explains it well: Basically, its greed and the fact that franchises are safer bets. And of course many people still watch them. https://youtu.be/p4GERuvdhYI

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's because of Cambridge Analytica. They realized they could blast susceptible morons with hyper targeted political content and warp users minds into being foot soldiers for a billionaire class that doesn't give a fuck about them.

[–] vacuumflower@vlemmy.net 3 points 2 years ago

One thing is chain reaction, another is that these media mostly came to existence in the same period of time. So they were aging synchronously.

This was predictable and predicted many times. Just like a building constructed with violations is not going to collapse immediately after it's finished, these things were not going to break (in various ways) immediately after being launched.

They are breaking now. Oopsie.

I hope XMPP makes a triumphant comeback. It's not dead yet.

[–] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Because you are the product, not the client. You are only catered to enough so that you may be coralled. You are basically cattle to these corporations.

As for why this is happening now:

  • The economy is in a downswing right now so we are going to see cost cutting and belt tightening.
  • Entrenched proprietary social media platforms are basically monopolies. You cannot choose to use an alternative because these are walled gardens and leaving means losing your ability to communicate with large groups of people. The larger and more entrenched these big firms get, coupled with lack of regulation means they can do whatever the fuck they want. You have no power and no choice (except for the Fediverse, a one-time pain to migrate to).
[–] Chrisosaur@startrek.website 3 points 2 years ago

Because a user base has yet to demonstrate that there will be significant consequences for such actions. Maybe there will be, but they will be less-tangible long-term consequences that can’t easily be attributed to these actions.

[–] smoke_bird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 years ago

Higher interest rates means they have more pressure to start being profitable is my guess.

[–] fing3r@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago
[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

A lot of technological flux going on right now, what with an entire generation partially trained to do WFH and job mobility that brings, the retirement of the tech-phobic boomers, the extremely tight labor market, Russian money going to "more important endevors" (which might also be why bit coin is down), and AI threatening to automate 80% of the workforce. Tech company owners are frightened and making random dumb or scared decisions because of it.

[–] Peeko@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Capitalism. Companies go public (or already were public) and then they can no longer be happy with what they had and need to acheive infinite profit growth. That's partially why companies like Valve, that are still luckily entirely private, can make seemingly consumer-focused decisions and not just chase infinite profits. That's how they've been able to invest so heavily in Linux with such little short term gains. Valve still makes shitty decisions sometimes but it would be 10x worse if they decided to go public.

[–] egg_@vlemmy.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I hate to break it to you, bud, but Valve is not consumer focused and are definitely focused on maximising profits.

Sure Valve might be more interested on maintaining good relations with customers, but that is just because they want to keep you around so you can make them more money in the long term. Maybe this in itself is worth praising, but at the end of the dat Valve is just another corporation who want your money and I really wouldn't go out of my way to defend or get emotionally attached to them.

And Valve want to invest in Linux because they are scared that Windows is going to do something to force them out of the PC space. Linux provides a fallback to this. Also, Linux allows them to undercut any potential Windows competition in the handheld gaming space as they can save on a Windows license. Eventually Valve hopes to corner the emerging market here by doing this. Linux support is very much a business and not altruistic move on Valve's behalf.

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[–] utopianfiat@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Silicon Valley Bank collapsing is putting pressure on tech companies to actually turn a profit, so they're turning to slimy tactics just to survive IPO

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Over-centralisation.

This kind of slow degredation of services is quite normal, however, this time around the wider use of these degrading platforms is hitting harder. Even 5 years ago, most communities had an IRC rather than a discord, and most ran a forum, or a community forum, with other info being on a wiki.

These days a lot of content that used to sit on a forum now sits on twitter, or on reddit. Discord is the new IRC, and so on. These separate services were a lot less convenient, but more resilient.

Odds are, we might see similar smaller communities pop up again as things get worse in the larger ones. Folks are pinched for cash at the moment, and so free services like neocities might see a boom as fandoms abandon larger sites (again).

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[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Thats just living in late stage capitalism. Everything you have now will be rented to you by a corporation in a couple of years.

They are doing everything in their power to make this the worst timeline.

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[–] 0xtero@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A lot of them go into business with venture capital, a great idea with future potential, but no idea how to monetize any of it.
Eventually the capital is starting to dry up and the owners will want return on their investments - so the company is forced to start turning profit. Enshittification of service at all costs follows. And then perhaps public IPO and the founders cashing out and buying yachts.

That's the lifecycle of a tech-startup

[–] alejandro@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The other element to this is the lack of competition. Since companies funded this way don’t need to turn a profit for a long time, they can very easily kill their competitors who do need to be profitable to survive.

So when the time comes for the company to turn a profit, there are few if any competitors left to put pressure on them, giving them the power to do what they want, and leaving consumers with no other options.

[–] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 2 points 2 years ago

And now the interest rates are up and money tight. All non-profitable companies suddenly need profits. Boom.

Our startup making business services and actually selling them... Getting any funding now is such a grind.

[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

It's a general trend of vulture capitalism, or more accurately locust capitalism, over the last several years.

Investors want extreme ROI(Return on Investement, aka their money back and some extra), so they'll cut every single corner and monetize everything, and even run companies into the ground to make it happen faster. And then just move on to another company and to the same thing, with absolutely zero interest in long term income, customer retention, etc.

[–] Noedel@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think also we've become so dependent that they can just do whatever the fuck they want.

I've lived in a bunch of countries and FB messenger is the only way for me to keep in touch. FB can do whatever they want to me because I'm never going to persuade a bunch of people to all move to signal or something.

Reddit has communities that simply don't exist on any other platform.

They have the critical mass.

[–] wildeaboutoskar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was going to say that I wish there was a decentralised way of sending messages... And then I remembered text messaging is a thing.

Incredible how quickly these things become embedded in everyday life

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[–] RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Capitalism slowly shits up everything. Even the things it helps create.

I mean this in the most general way possible. Not just platforms. Even if reddit was profitable it would still continue. It's just part of the cycle of seeking not just profits but ever rising profits.

It's just more obvious lately on digital platforms because it has been kind of compressed into smaller amounts of time.

That which is free must find a way to cost.

That that makes money must find a way to make more.

And slowly but surely its takes on a fine shine. A glean seen from a distance. But when you get close you realize. "oh, its fucking shit all over it."

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

These companies are overvalued. Currently we're operating in supply side economics where the wealthy have all the money and companies do everything they can to attract those big investment dollars.

But the truth is social media companies (despite being household names) don't really make the revenue that warrants their high valuation by investors. Investors are starting to figure this out, and now they're desperately throwing shit at the wall to try to keep from losing those big supply side dollars.

Social media companies can break even and employ a lot of people while doing so. They could have a good user experience, and it would be all fine. But they wouldn't have sky rocketing share prices doing that. The leadership wouldn't get fat bonuses. So they implement all these crazy schemes so they can make projections about future revenue.

It doesn't matter if these schemes actually will make money or not. They just need to show X number of users multiplied by Y additional revenue per user and that's enough to attract investment. And it doesn't matter if it destroys the company either, the people at the top will get their bonuses.

[–] Palteos@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

It's the lifecycle of social media sites. I knew when I left Digg 13 years ago Reddit would inevitably follow the same fate at some point. The problem we have now is that there are no alternatives of similar size nor established communities to replace the sites that are falling apart. Digg and Reddit were equal and provided an instant replacement of similar size for the exodus. Same with MySpace and Facebook. Now, the users of the big sites don't really have that haven to jump to and people don't want to spend the time building a new community. There is no Twitter alternative. Mastodon just doesn't cut it right now and the fact that actual companies use Twitter as an official mode of communication makes it harder to leave. Reddit is the same way. Every controversy draws users to alternatives, but nothing can match it's size.

[–] ydenpl@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Centralization, money, power, money, stocks, money. These are just a few reasons. Did I mention money? Oh, and also, money. They're sucking up to investors, and finding ways to get through the up-coming(or on-going) recession without major losses. The only losses are ours.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I feel it's like a sellout on stock exchange: once the first company started to heavily monetize, the others felt like they needed to cash out now, before "stock values drop" i.e. the internet users find different models of social media that make the corporation owned ones obsolete. Thank you lemmy! :)

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