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I knew Blahaj was never 'for' me, but I always felt comfortable here. Guess that's over. Ada and the admins have the right to cultivate the community they want to see on Blahaj, and I wish them the best of luck going forward.
I'm going to miss 196 and Femcelmemes, but... well, Blahaj isn't for me, since I don't acknowledge 'dragonfucker' as a gender.
(Not sure if I'm supposed to say this yet but screw it):
If it's any consolation, for a good handful of weeks we've been planning on moving 196 to lemmy.world ASAP... but to tell you the truth I'm not sure how soon that will be. It's tricky, but we're working with the admins of both instances to figure it out.
Edit to clarify: We're not moving because of the "neopronouns" thing.
I sure fuckin hope not, lemmy.world admins and mods are generally even more incompetent than the others.
Agreed, moving 196 to .world is a terrible idea.
I've had some bad run-ins with Lemmy.world mods, certainly, but the admins seem overall fine, if amateurish. They generally take into account feedback and try to provide the full rundown of any actions taken. When one of the admins crossed a line of participation/moderation/administration in the recent vegan cats debacle, they chose to clarify and have the admin admit wrongdoing.
Far from perfect, but they're tolerable.
Mods are one thing, users are another. Didn't the vegans leave because users kept coming in and ignoring community guidelines, then go around the mods to disregard the community guidelines not because they care about animals but because they don't like vegans? The dog pile was pretty gross from what I remember. None of the meta discussions focused on mod behavior; all of them were anti vegan circle jerks.
Darn, I'm really going to miss it then. lemmy.world has not been worth keeping in my feed generally.
I'm sad that one user has caused so much trouble for so many people on here. I don't get the current situation at all, as it's small potatoes compared to the myriad of transphobes and tankies from other instances. I don't often block users, but I don't see how this issue isn't just tied to a single one who would be better off blocked.
I don't get how wider political discussions get roped into personal problems. If a person was a really nice "dragonfucker," I don't know if we'd be having this conversation. It's fine to dislike a person without seeing them as immoral or a political enemy.
I'll be sad to see you go, especially over this 😞
I don’t often block users, but I don’t see how this issue isn’t just tied to a single one who would be better off blocked.
That's the problem with precedents. Especially when the precedent is established with a user whose behavior is already quite... non-ideal.
I’ll be sad to see you go, especially over this 😞
Yeah, I'm not thrilled either. I enjoyed Femcelmemes very much. I hope your community continues thriving!
The comment defending "drag" as a pronoun (and banning people over it) even uses "they" twice. Apparently admins don't have to follow the ridiculous, made up rule. They can just ban anyone who calls it ridiculous.
honestly the dragonfucker problem would've come up one way or another, dragonfucker is the direct cause that pulled the trigger but the shell and propellant was already in place
fyi, dragonfucker is banned from 196 too. I think the moderators are pretty fair in yeeting people for being rude, regardless of opinions on gender and the like
That's why I seem so lost on this whole thing
I don't think I've ever seen their posts or comments
Edit: I also apparently had them blocked as well.
For those not familiar with DragonFucker/Rider/Drag:
Dragon uses the pronoun "drag" in place of "I", "drag's" in place of "my".
They wouldn't say:
I like cheese. Blueberry isn't my favorite. I know what my heart wants.
They would say:
Drag likes cheese. Blueberry isn't drag's favorite. Drag knows what drag's heart wants.
Beyond whether or not they literally think they are a dragon, going to marry a dragon, beyond even using 'drag' as a custom neopronoun that normally replaces 3rd person pronouns...
They are using what they call their own custom first person pronouns, but this reads to basically every English speaker as constantly referring to themselves in the 3rd person by using their own nickname, akin to the royal 'we'.
Dragon has told me that they don't see "drag" as a nickname, but as a pronoun.
... I don't think they are trolling, in the sense of just doing something annoying to get a rise out of people, a voluntary activity one choses to do consciously.
Their grammatical behavior is consistent across all their posts, they don't only engage in it from time to time.
I've even had a few conversations with Dragon where I've attempted to explain that half of the hate they get and arguments they get into stem from people misunderstanding what they are saying, because of their extremely niche way of using pronouns.
They've told me, directly, that my understanding of how their pronouns work is correct, and that this proves that their pronoun/grammar style is thus not confusing, and that eventually everyone will just adapt and understand them.
...Despite the fact that I told them I had to do like an hour worth of research to figure out how this all actually works, which Dragon ... intially chastized me for, saying it was all clearly evident from their profile (it wasn't), and that I did not need to do that much research...
...even though I seem to be the only person I am aware of explaining Dragon's grammar/pronoun style in every thread we both happen to be in where most other people are just misunderstanding them and that leading to arguments.
Anyway, I've never heard of anyone using custom pronouns for "I" and "my" until Dragon.
Ever.
I myself am queer, have run in many circles with many lgbtqia folks, and I've even dated a queer person legitimately diagnosed with DID, and not even they would use their own custom first person pronouns for their alters, or the collective system of alters as a whole...
I wonder if their point is basically to stress test the pronouns system we have,
e.g. make people think about why we use them and why we need them
basically doing something to an extreme to show the issues/benefits it entails
Ah lol, your heading is really ambiguous. This initially looked like you were supporting the ban and saying "goodbye" to them.
Sorry about that.
Guess it doesn't matter over-much. Just felt sad about it and felt the need to make one last post.
Drag is a perfectly fine user.
Drag is not a tankie. Drag is not a fascist. Drag is not a bigot, not a paedophile, not a scammer, not a rapist, not a billionaire, not any manner of individual that you should be directing your rage toward. Drag is a respectful member of the queer community, like you, like me, or like anyone else. That alone in my books makes a friend, and not an enemy. So what, I had to take ten seconds to connect the pronoun "drag" to what I already know about language?
I, personally, don't find it a major inconvenience to show a little kindness. Also, drag is cute, in my opinion.
Ay bro who cares.
If you enjoy debating this stuff find that space.
If you are bothered by it let it go.
If someone can't be weird on the Internet when can they be weird? Like let people do their thing man
I cannot see any Lemmy account which the writer of the removed comment could possibly be referring to.
Hypothetically, if there were a user whom all but the admins/mods could conclude to be a troll, all users could individually block said hypothetical troll and advocate for blocking of accounts that come across at first glance, second glance, and even ten hundredth glance to seem to be trolls. This would allow the users to avoid the frustrations wrought by the hypothetical troll as well as prevent users from incriminating themselves within the admins’ and mods’ rules by not interacting with nor even referring to the aforementioned hypothetical troll specifically.
This is all purely hypothetical of course.
Again, I cannot see any Lemmy account which the writer of the removed comment could possibly be referring to.
However, I’m sure the admins/mods couldn’t knock you for gracefully advocating for wariness of nonspecific trolls in general if you happen upon a situation in which you think that warning may be particularly helpful.
You can also just block users whom you get bad vibes from for whatever reason, whether you believe them to be genuine or maliciously disingenuous.
Do admins have access to a tally of how many users have blocked a given account? This may give them an indication of whom the user masses consider to be problematic accounts.
What exactly was the issue with my posts? Just curious
Edit apparently gatekeeping and trans med stuff. That’s…a misinterpretation, but it’s okay whatever, lol
Get Glomph'd on! Thankfully I've never met someone who actually wants people to refer to them as dragonkin outside of FFXIV roleplay servers.
It feels like every time drama pops up, I go through a period of confusion before realizing it involves someone I blocked and forgot about. You'd think I would have learned by now.
Yeah seriously, its not that deep, just block and move on.
Dude you don't gotta announce your departure
I mean, I'm a Taurus, a gamer (ttrpg kind, i don't use the gamer word), and identify more with cats than dogs, but none of that is gender related nor gets it's own pronouns. heck I'm a transhumanist so i fully get the desire to not be human, but its all a little dumb imo ┐(シ)┌
That said, i just ignored the guy you're talking about and enjoyed more interesting conversations. Like the topic of pronouns in general! We absolutely could use better ones
Personally I blocked the guy a long time ago
I didn't even know what was going on around here until I dug into it and found the source the situation
It’s crazy what people make a drama about not being able to harass someone who doesn’t use he, she or they
Well, that certainly is one of the paragraphs of all time.
Let me know where you end up, I always feel like walking on thin Ice here.
what a way to start a drama over a fucking joke