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Voters think Trump is a criminal, Biden is too old and DeSantis is a fascist: poll
(www.independent.co.uk)
I'll take old over criminal or fascist.
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Especially an old man just restored a chunk of the social safety net. No, it's not enough yet, but Republicans are making sure of that.
yeah, satan, the no surprise billing is enough for my vote.
The main fear with an old person is the instability it could cause if they grew ill. But the other two options are guaranteed instability. So I think I'll take my chances.
Also keep in mind that trump is basically as old as Biden.
And shows far more signs of being old. (The memory recall test thingy is not something given to someone of obviously sound mind,)
Yeah. Strong "one of those things is not like the others" energy to this headline, lol.
Yep!
The thing about an old president is that even if he grows senile, there's the entire rest of their administration that generally have the same goals in mind as them.
I would too, but like, could not limit it to just those three choices please?
It’s the illusion of choice, like one may give a toddler: would you like to have bacon or sausage with your breakfast? It’s the same product, different flavor.
Maybe in the worst funded public school system breakfast ever conceived …
Bacon is a cured pork- usually belly, and typically sliced.
Sausage is a seasoned ground meat… er… product… that might be cured or smoked or not, might be stuffed into casings or not, might (usually, unless specified,) be pork. Or not.
The two products are vastly different. And, in point of fact … Biden and the other two are also vastly different.
You might have had a point if you had said “it’d be like asking if you want cheap sausage or dogs shit.” I’ll let you figure out which is what.
Typical liberal. I’m left of that but thank you for the pedantry. It’s still pork and that goes to the wealthy and corporations, is the point. I’ll let you figure out which group works for the commoners.
I'm leftist too and would love for someone other than old centrist men to run the country but saying Biden and Trump are the same is just ignorant. One is a straight up racist, misogynist fascist who has done irreparable damage to the country, and the other is at least somewhat competent and has enacted policies like the COVID relief stipend and pausing student loan debt payments. Yes, he also is a shill for big companies and should be doing way more. But it does make a difference for millions of people. All you do by treating them as the same is discourage people from voting, and that voter apathy is what got us trump, and could get us desantes. Short of a political revolution, that still is our best way to enact actual change. Plus, those things aren't mutually exclusive.
Good politician-bad politician ruse imo. It’s not the age so much as the recorded history. That Overton Window is so right, it’s wrong, now.
So what's the solution? Again, voting is the only real way to get any change done right now, and while it's minimal, I'd rather have a politician that has a minimal good effect vs none at all. The right thrives on voter apathy, they want you to feel like both sides are the same so they can take power, strip away voter rights, and stay in power - exactly what's happening in conservative states like Florida and Texas.
Trust me, I want there to be another option, some sort of large-scale protest or revolution. But in lieu of that, the least we can do is make sure the minimal amount of damage is done.
Everyone who thinks a third party vote is wasted and holds their nose to vote for the establishment candidate could actually try voting third party. Robert Reich endorsed HRC at one time and he currently urges us to vote third party.
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This is actually what I find funny about conservatives. They paint someone like me as way extreme left anarchocommunist or something and its like. This is rediculous. Im just left of center and the party I vote for is just right of center. Your party is the one so extreme you see center as left.
for me its more a choice of do you want sausage in your mouth or up your arsehole.
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I feel that it should be pointed out that Trump is also a fascist.
And old
He's the total package! Like, the kind of package you'd set on fire and leave on a neighbor's porch.
It's the state of politics that the wealthy elite owners of the country absolutely enjoy
Voters no longer vote for who they want
They vote for the best of the worst that is given to them
They vote for the best of the worst that is given to them
Nothing new about that.
I was a lot less worried about Mitt Romney.
Romney was a corporate stooge, but at least you knew it was just going to be more rich get richer shit. This new variety is deadset on torturing people instead of just making them poor.
Not even best. Many people vote purely against the thing they don't want, rather than voting for the thing they do want.
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There has not been a time for ripe in modern times for a strong 3rd party candidate. To bad the whole system is rigged against it.
3rd party, on a national scale, is guaranteed to fail in fptp. The only one who wins in fptp is the least hated (of 2) candidate. 3rd party votes just suck votes that could be voted against that most hated candidate
This isn't inherently a failure of first past the post, this is a failure of human psychology.
No, it's definitely a FPTP failure. If you have progressive third party candidate who mostly attracts voters who would otherwise have voted Democrat, it splits the vote. Even if the majority of people voted for either the third party or the Democrat candidate (let's say 30% each), the Republican candidate would get win even with 60% of people not wanting them.
I suspect you're thinking of people being afraid to vote third party and thus dooming the third party to lose, but the fallacy of that is assuming that everyone would genuinely vote for the third party over other candidates, which isn't the case. Articles like the one we're commenting on are only pointing out the most common belief.
First past the post voting systems prevent viable third parties because of human psychology. Why are we pretending to argue about how we phrase this?
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That time was 2016, which is why gary johnson got so many votes.
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Fascist, criminal, or geezer.
Ngl I know which one I’m picking (the old fart).
sample size of 1000 though. you'd think they'd be able to find tens of thousands of people
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Sound about right.
Totally normal "democracy", working very well. 🙃
At this point, I'd be in favor of just asking 9 first-graders what their favorite single digit number is, and granting the position of POTUS to whoever's social security number matches the one they generated.
But, given our current options I'd take a clueless old man over a lucid fascist in a fuckin' heart beat. How is this really being presented as a dilemma? Would you rather have your house a bit too chili, or burn the whole thing down? Sure I don't like either option, but deciding which one's better kinda plays out like those cheesy banking commercials.
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