Goldfishlaser
Why don't I gain anything by it?
How is it not helping to remind them where the ice cream came from, since they obviously forgot if they're complaining about it to a vegan.
And what makes you assume moral superiority? You said yourself that you understand how frustrating it is for us to hear about animals being exploited. That's where the joke comes from. People unthinkingly doing wrong and expecting us to say nothing.
I feel ya.
The other day my friend was complaining that his ice cream he had delivered was melted. And I was like "Aw man. They raped a mother and killed her calf to make that ice cream for you and you didn't even get to enjoy it cold". He just rolled his eyes at me but yea, like sorry I'm not sorry lol.
Yeah it's possible I'll visit your community. Although, I am not normally a debatebro, I just didn't want OP to be only getting negative responses to the post especially right at the start, when posting here.
And your cry baby wah wah comment is why carnists get the reputation they do.
Depends on what OP means by being mean. I read it as the sometimes sardonic remarks that are almost compelled from us when they want to discuss their carnist lifestyle around us or to us as though we are just gonna be like "you be you".
Oh dang. Thanks for letting me know.
And so many people think eating chicken is healthy. Eating chicken is eating disease, filth, and suffering.
True, I guess for my closing remarks and bringing it back to the OP, my ethical backing for veganism is partially consequentialist in both my direct actions (supporting exploitation) and indirect actions (not actually exploiting, but causing conditions that could be condusive to exploiting).
I come from the perspective of someone who felt tricked into years of animal exploitation by the welfarist position. I wasted hundreds if not thousands of dollars buying grassfed, free range, yada yada bullshit.
And in my view I should have just either kept that money or just went vegan. I don't think jt did anything good, I don't think it moved the world further at all. All it did was make me poorer and make me delay doing the right thing, the thing that does make a difference, which is going vegan.
Its not to say I wouldn't engage in dirty pragmatism when I'm arguing with others. I emulate my best friend who made the biggest impact on me. I'm ok using any means necessary to make carnists reduce their consumption of animal products, including praising "small steps" like Veganuary or meatless monday or something. But my friend never coddled my delusion of animal welfarism and I also draw the line there.
Would I vote on a bill that made battery cages illegal? Sure. Would I try to convince carnists to also do that? Sure. That's the extent of it. I'm not going to tell someone cage free is ok or better. Id just focus on how bad battery cages are.
I'm just curious- how much footage / information have you seen about what actually goes down in the "cage free" egg industry? Why exactly do you see that as "better"?
To me, all that does is convince someone to buy more expensive eggs, when they could just not and save themselves the surcharge.
Tofu does has a fairly complete amino acid profile, which is why it combines well with many vegetable proteins. It's only a little short on methionine.
Seeds, nuts, spinach, sweet potato, corn, asparagus, broccoli, chard... And more are all pretty decent sources of methionine.
You may find this article my friend wrote interesting -https://green.michaelaltfield.net/2014/10/20/complete-protein-ratios/
I think many people like to toast the bread but you don't have to.