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[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

confine against their will

they don't know what's good for them. protecting them from the elements and predators and starvation is good.

[–] chetradley@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

Not breeding them into existence just to kill them at a fraction of their natural lifespan is much better.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

the lifespan of livestock is exactly how long they are kept alive.

[–] chetradley@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, thank you for making my point! When compared to the same animals living out their natural lives in a sanctuary, they're only kept alive for a miniscule fraction of the time:

And looking at the conditions a vast majority of these animals are raised in, it's hard to argue we're doing them any favors.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

no dairy cow would survive 20 years without shelter from the elements, protection from predators, veterinary care, ample food, and clean water. That's not a natural lifespan. That's an artificial lifespan.

[–] chetradley@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Kind of a moot point since dairy cows, like the majority of animals raised for food, are man-made breeds and wouldn't exist in the wild anyway. But you knew I meant when I said natural lifespan, as in how long they'd live if they weren't killed as juveniles.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

so you knew you were spreading misinformation?

[–] chetradley@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I've actually been quite clear in the definition of life span I'm using. You appear to be intentionally misunderstanding my point.

The limits of the life span of each species appear to be determined ultimately by heredity. Locked within the code of the genetic material are instructions that specify the age beyond which a species cannot live given even the most favourable conditions.

https://www.britannica.com/science/life-span

Can you at least be consistent in your argument? On the one hand, you say that a species' lifespan in captivity can't be an indicator of their natural lifespan, because they wouldn't survive as long in the wild. On the other hand, you say that a livestock species' lifespan is dictated by when humans choose to slaughter them. Can you explain how these arguments don't contradict each other?

I'm happy to engage in a good faith conversation with you on this if you're interested.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't care to get bogged down in a semantic argument with an ideologue. I've said what I wanted to say.

[–] chetradley@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

Likewise, have a great day.

[–] PetteriSkaffari@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Anyhow, livestock is being killed well before they reach maturity. All for human pleasure.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

pretty sure most livestock are slaughtered for money.

[–] PetteriSkaffari@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Money is quite pleasurable, isn't it?

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

personally I fucking hate money, which is probably why I don't have any

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