What? There are lots of legitimate complaints about the meat and dairy industries, but almost all that land being used for them is arid, rocky wasteland that has a cow wander over it twice a year. That's not actually even on the list of problems with those industries.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Ugh, I accidentally deleted my previous comment when trying to edit, sorry for the double reply.

Original reply:

You think that the amount of land being dedicated to making food for livestock dwarfing the amount of land dedicated to feeding people is not a legitimate complaint?

Edit: eyeballing it, we use twice as much land (and as a result, water, energy, etc used in the farming process) making food for livestock (ie, food for what will become food) as we do making food for us

[–] yozul@beehaw.org 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

No. No. That's completely wrong. That's not what I think, because it doesn't make any sense. There are no crops that can be effectively and cheaply grown in rocky, arid wasteland. If we weren't using it to let cattle graze, it would be wild land being grazed by buffalo instead. Now, maybe you could argue that would still be better, but it wouldn't be growing food for humans any more efficiently. Buffalo aren't actually any more efficient than cattle at producing meat, and nobody's hauling water up to into the high Rockies to irrigate rocks. That's not a real thing that people would be doing if cattle weren't grazing there.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

There is a dedicated section for "pasture/range" which is the grazing space you're talking about. I am not talking about that. I'm talking about the section for "livestock feed" which is crop growth.

[–] yozul@beehaw.org 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

That's fair. I guess I misunderstood. Sorry. Yeah, it would be nice if that part were smaller. It's still not a perfect one to one comparison. Feed crops do actually tend to use less other resources. Sometimes a lot less, depending on the crop you're comparing them to, but yeah, it's a lot of land that could be growing things for humans, and there's more of it than there needs to be. Sorry. You are right about that.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 2 points 8 hours ago

All good, glad we smoothed that over :)

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

You think that the amount of land being dedicated to making food for livestock dwarfing the amount of land dedicated to feeding people is not a legitimate complaint?