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[โ€“] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 57 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Figure out if they prefer spaces or tabs, insist on the other.

Please note this won't work on Pythonistas as they've already had their spirit thoroughly broken.

[โ€“] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 points 4 days ago

Tabs set at 1 space.

[โ€“] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 21 points 1 week ago

A haiku for you:

Tabs or four spaces

Never a semicolon

Broken in spirit

[โ€“] Reptorian@programming.dev 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What if you use tabs for indentations and space for alignment?

[โ€“] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's alright... but have you considered spaces for indentation and tabs for alignment?

[โ€“] Reptorian@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago

Uh, that would be infuriating to see. (Yes, I can see tabs in KDE Kate)

[โ€“] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I feel like this is a debate that doesn't exist - 4 spaces bound to tab is the only actual answer.

[โ€“] brian@programming.dev 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

most things seem to have settled on this, but tabs are so much better for accessibility. programmers with bad vision can have trouble differentiating smaller indentation levels, while some of them just bump the font size up so high that 4 spaces takes up too much screen space. each one can set a tab width that is comfortable for them. https://alexandersandberg.com/articles/default-to-tabs-instead-of-spaces-for-an-accessible-first-environment/ has some good arguments

with a forced formatter and a configured editor there really isn't any argument for spaces

[โ€“] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I remember people arguing over 2 vs 3 spaces, back when terminals only displayed 80 characters and every character width saved was a huge deal. (Oh god, memories of all the single-character variable names have returned to haunt me)

I can't go back, won't go back. I am so glad the Bad Old Days are over. *returns to coding on my dual-widescreen monitor setup*

[โ€“] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

Hard tabs are much better as someone who works with an age diverse team where vision issues are a serious issue. Four space tabs are optimal for you but there are other lived experiences.

[โ€“] ThePunnyMan@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago

For python, see which one they use and secretly replace a single indentation with the other.

[โ€“] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 1 points 1 week ago

Makefiles require tabs. Spaces don't work. I hate it.

[โ€“] untorquer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've only ever heard raging between the two, but never why. I'm guessing there were competing languages with different standards, or maybe historic hardware limiting input sets that kicked this debate off or?

[โ€“] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A few languages force a decision (usually towards tabs), but otherwise it's just a question of aesthetics vs. accessibility.

[โ€“] untorquer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I see.

My worst experience was with spaces in code from an engineering professor who used a non-monospace typefont. Sadist. Though it was comic sans, they were probably just dyslexic. Despite the class focusing on numerical methods, we had to hand write Matlab code on paper using proper syntax. I have no clue why. Never learned much numerical method, nor were we ever allowed to use Matlab except on a few "projects" during the term. I found out about the spaces when i had to debug his example code he gave as solutions(which we were graded against). I saw errors and had to confirm i wasn't losing my mind. ...I wasn't. Anyways there was a mix of spaces and tabs to align the comic sans.

TLDR: I couldn't care less. Just don't code in word, and use a monospace font.