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[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

No, you wouldn’t be attacking Musk, you are attacking random people.

If you want to attack Musk, then target his own properties, not random people’s; not that I condone violence either way.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

People are attacking Teslas future income stream.

That means they are attacking the current Tesla share price.

That means they are attacking Musk.

Normal people are compensated by insurance.

Future tesla owners will need to pay higher insurance premiums.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You know people can attack Tesla’s future income stream simply by not buying a Tesla.

There’s no need to destroy random citizens private property and we already established they are not made whole by insurance.

It is naive to think insurance prices will only rise for future Tesla owners.

If I disagree with something you do, that does not justify me destroying your private property.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You know people can attack Tesla’s future income stream simply by not buying a Tesla.

And you can attack it even more by dissuading other people too.

There’s no need to destroy random citizens private property

There is a need if faster results are sought.

and we already established they are not made whole by insurance.

Then sell before it's vandalised.

is naive to think insurance prices will only rise for future Tesla owners.

This is how insurance works. Brands, models and even colors have different premiums.

If I disagree with something you do, that does not justify me destroying your private property.

It's not about the Tesla owner directly. It's about damaging Musk.

I should state that I am not going to damage anyone's private property, but current and future Tesla owners should be aware of the logic behind the attacks and act appropriately.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe one day you will be on the receiving end of such despicable attacks on private citizens and only then you might change your mind.

You do not get to dictate what cars people get to buy, nor what kind of insurance they must have. That is not how insurance works, premiums will go up for everyone.

Besides, you tell people to sell their cars, while you acknowledge the big financial hit that would involve; who are they going to sell it to? Whoever buys it will also suffer from the vandalism you encourage.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Maybe one day you will be on the receiving end of such despicable attacks on private citizens and only then you might change your mind.

Maybe I've already sold my Tesla and I'm no longer supporting Musk in any shape or form. I might be changing the mind of a Tesla owner currently reading this.

You do not get to dictate what cars people get to buy, nor what kind of insurance they must have.

Agreed. You are free to choose your own car along with it's associated running costs.

That is not how insurance works, premiums will go up for everyone.

It is how insurance works. If causes of risks can be directly identified and measured then they can be directly priced. Any insurer not doing so will lose business.

who are they going to sell it to?

They will have to drop the price until they find a buyer. That will affect new car sales and damage Musk further. See how this works?

Whoever buys it will also suffer from the vandalism you encourage.

Yep. For a low enough price, people may be willing to take the vandalism risk and also become a social pariah.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Again, maybe one days you will be on the receiving end of such despicable attacks on private citizens, and only then you might change your mind. It doesn’t need to be about Tesla. It doesn’t even need to be about something you agree with.

Insurance prices will rise across the board, maybe more for Tesla, but also for other brands. That is just how insurance works.

You can impact new car sales simply by encouraging people to not buy a new Tesla. You don’t need to destroy people’s private property to accomplish that goal.

You are condoning terrorism. Do better.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Again, maybe one days you will be on the receiving end of such despicable attacks on private citizens,

Only if I buy a Tesla.

Insurance prices will rise across the board

Nope. This vandalism risk is only related to Tesla.

also for other brands.

Why? They are not being vandalised, have no change in risk so have no premium adjustment.

That is just how insurance works.

You obviously have no idea how insurance works.

You can impact new car sales simply by encouraging people to not buy a new Tesla.

Agreed.

You don’t need to destroy people’s private property to accomplish that goal.

Vandalism accomplishes the goal faster and more aggressively

You are condoning terrorism. Do better.

I'm condoning nothing. I will even explicitly say Don't Vandalise Cars. Happy?

What I am doing is explaining how Musk is affected if people continue to vandalise Teslas.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 25 minutes ago

No that’s the thing, it won’t only be when you buy a Tesla, it will be when you do whatever the mob terrorists deem wrong.

Insurance premiums will rise across the board. Ask two or three insurance companies if you don’t want to take my word for it. You have no idea how insurance businesses operate.

I’m glad you do not condone vandalism.

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Only if I buy a Tesla.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Yes, you are the villain here.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 0 points 39 minutes ago

Holy shit. Did you just invoke Martin Niemöller in defense of a Nazi?

Unbelievable.