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[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (3 children)

It's even worse than that. It floors me that it's widely accepted that soldiers murdering soldiers in war isn't murder. It's murder when a contract killer murders by order and gets paid, the fact that a government is paying the contract and giving you a spiffy Lil wardrobe to do it in is a really arbitrary line. They don't even have a proper word for it, they just say "it's not murder.... IT'S WAR!" What a lazy non-argument. It doesn't count because we're doing murder Costco style, in bulk?

I mean yeah, it's people killing people that don't want to die on the behalf of people paying them to either gain something or secure what they have. It's more cut and dry than my first example, where you could argue that if the party to be murdered consents to be murdered, it no longer fits the definition.

As George Carlin said, the word is avoided to soften what needs to be done, to defang language until it is robbed of the emotional weight of what is happening. Target neutralized doesn't have the baggage of human murdered. Don't want those soldiers in the field to internalize the weight of what they're doing, or they won't comply as reliably!

[–] Senal@slrpnk.net 3 points 4 hours ago

and this is exactly my point, the definition of the word generally points directly to it being killing in a fashion that is unlawful which rests on the applicable law in the context.

Nation state soldiers killing enemy combatants doesn't fit this description in most circumstances. (There are of course rules and exceptions etc etc)

I'm not arguing the morality, I'm arguing the factual definition and it's the reason why i said the language causes it's own issues.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I would argue that's because murder is generally understood to be tangential to state authority where state is defined as the monopoly on the legitimate use of violence. Killing for the state is war or exercising sovereignty or whatever the reason is, but it's the state's reason and it's weird to call state sanctioned genocide murder even when you acknowledge it as evil and unlawful. Killing against state authority is revolutionary action and while inherently unlawful is also rarely seen as murder. So it makes sense that a state sactioning the killing of actors of another state isn't seen as murder and instead has its own term for the whole tragic situation.

floors me that it's widely accepted that soldiers murdering soldiers in war isn't murder

Because it's not. Murder is one sided. War, you are fighting. It's not 1 sided. It's killing, and can easily and is often morally reprehensible. But that does not make it murder. Civilian deaths are still murder in a war.

It's not defanging language. Its using it as it is.