It's much better here! It’s nice and cozy, kinda like Reddit circa 15 years ago.
For your memes we have !memes@lemmy.world and if you're a programmer of some kinds we got !programmer_humor@programming.dev to scratch that itch, if you like sciency posts mander.xyz has some excellent communities (communities=subreddits) like !science@mander.xyz, !biology@mander.xyzand !astronomy@mander.xyz and for a meme science combo there's always the fantastic !science_memes@mander.xyz
You can also drop a shit(post) off at !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world or hang out at !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone (though you do have to post before you leave that one!)
If you want to explore the world of PC Gaming on Linux check !linux_gaming@lemmy.world or for more general Linux !linux@programming.dev and we even have a Linux meme comm at !linuxmemes@lemmy.world (we like Linux around here lmao)
For news !world@lemmy.world is excellent and for US focused news !news@lemmy.world and !usa@midwest.social
Want to ensure your privacy in this crazy world? Checkout !privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
And of course, the best for last, the best comm on the Lemmy-verse, !bikinibottomtwitter@lemmy.world !!! Just make sure to buy a krabby patty!
We’re not without our cons though, biggest problem we have are probably the Tankies, but here they’re mostly on what's known as the Tankie Triad: lemmy.ml, lemmygrad and hexbear. For the most part, grad and hex are widely defederated from (Users and content of those instances won't be "synced" and you won't see them) and you only have to worry about .ml, but on Lemmy you can do a personal instance wide block if you’d rather just not deal with them. .ml tends to be more subtle opting for censorship of dissent before things get crazy on their threads and allowing certain propaganda to flourish (If you wish to see documentation of it, checkout !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works ) Here on Lemmy all moderator actions are public and available for viewing on what's known as the "modlog"
Obligatory, fuck Spez
Saying it again to everyone in the back. The modlog is a great feature. Instance Mods and admins can't just disappear people and communities without a trace, and trolls can't make up stories of unfair moderation without bringing receipts and their old account name.
Couldn't an instance admin just disable modlogs or spoof them, though
Yes, but the backlash would be undoubtedly intense, everyone here loves the modlog (well probably not the trolls/tankies LMFAO)
the tankies were who created the modlog. broken clocks etc
Isn't the whole thing about public and harsh punishments in authoritarian societies to keep everyone in check?
its also to hide and shield your atrocities, punishments from the public, hence they dont know whats going on so its easy to claim any story you made up.
the tankies/MLs are the biggest downside of lemmy, they prefer insults to discussion and have a very stalinist approach to moderation/administration. they are the spez of lemmy
oh and they spread russian propaganda like jolly traitors
authoritarians have always been the same
Keep in mind that not everyone on ml or everyone with leftist leanings is a tankie. Yes, there are a lot of tankies there, but ML is a general purpose instance and some longstanding lemmy users simply have their accounts there
i was referring to the fundamentalists, wannabe revolutionaries and myopic protesters
if you have a main account on .ml to bait MLs then fine, but it might be time to make an account elsewhere. all the MLs that want to troll the rest of lemmy have done the same so they don't bring the instance into further disrepute
they behave the same way , probably banned on reddit.
For their own instance, sure.
But it won't alter the modlogs of other Instances, which also have a copy if the community is federated to them.
Because of federation the lock-in is much lower and we could move to a new instance due to a rogue admin.
If modlogs were disabled, it would get noticed pretty quickly. If some mod decided to waste a lot of time coming up with an elaborate scheme to try to mess with things unfairly, that instance would lose a lot of trust if it gets revealed.
On a related note, one funny thing that occurred recently: Mod sets up community with an automated moderator, automod boots the mod soon after.
Eh, you say that.
Image of post
(I've since deleted my comment just in case I doxxed myself elsewhere)
Image of modlog
So either there's some funny shenanigans going on at lemmy.world, or more likely maybe the modlog isn't completely visible across instances, or...?
People are still able to delete their own posts, that wouldn't appear in the modlog
Ahhh, good point. Though, the "Permanently Deleted" made me think it's an action of a mod rather than a user.
To test:: https://lemmy.ml/post/27769094
Please post something here in the linked thread. I will delete the whole post in an hour, and then please send me a screenshot of what you see when looking at your profile for comments for that thread.
That community doesn't federate to my instance 😅
you can see my comment from ML, but you can't see the communities? Federation is crazy complex haha
Federation is community dependent
Okay, I got responses from:
@wise_pancake@lemmy.ca
@match@pawb.social
@Donjuanme@lemmy.world
Please tell me how the deleted post looks
It looks deleted to me from my instance. I can see my comment on my profile.
I didn't know I was volunteering to help, but I am happy to.
When I view your link to lemmy.ml my comment is visible
Same as in the first screenshot for me
Ah no I meant when you search for your comment in your profile and see the "Godspeed" comment, what is the name of the post it is under?
I see "I will delete this post in 1 hour"
I was part of an experiment, huzzah!
Invisible indeed https://lemmy.ca/post/41361575/15492240
When you search for your comment in your comment history, what is the name of the post it is under?
Post names don't change if the creator deleted it, so it would be the same as the last title before deletion. However, I usually edit it to [Deleted] and the post body to [Deleted] to overwrite the entire post before deleting.
The main thing you need to know the username of the OP who posted it. Chances are they were banned, had their account deleted or deleted the post themselves. The comments in the post is collateral damage in deleted/removed posts. It has happened to me and it does feel bad a bit since comments of deleted posts and children of deleted comments do not appear in the modlog. The idea though, is that the main OP who has been actioned against has recourse. The process certainly can be improved but its still several steps above Reddit in transparency.
Ah that makes sense too
The modlog is vulnerable to the same federation issues that all Lemmy content can suffer from.
Because I've noticed the same thing with comments removed by .ml admins, I can see the modlog entry when looking on .ml itself, but when viewed from .worlds modlog it's missing in some cases
But also, like all federated content, you won't see modlog entries on your Instances modlog if they've defederated from an instance. So you won't see hex/grad modlog entries on .world but you can from .ee for example
I believe this depends on what community it happens on. If the community is on ml, then ml moderation actions will be copied by world (or any other instance showing that community), but if it happens on a world community then ml moderation actions stay on ml.
Do you see a different modlog for asklemmy@lemmy.world as I'm seeing in that screenshot then?
~~I checked 2 other instance modlog's, and didn't see them there.~~
~~I did notice "*Permanently Deleted*" for its post title, which is usually indicative of a total post purge (Deletes all content from a post, pictures, comments everything. Normally, an uploaded picture can hang around on an instance directly accessible by its image url), but it's supposed to be reserved for really bad shit (read: illegal) you don't want hanging around in an instances DBs~~
~~That being said, even permanently deleted/purged stuff generally does show on the modlog, at least an entry that just says Permanently Deleted, so that is a bit concerning.~~
~~Id suggest putting together your evidence into a post for !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com maybe you can catch the attention of another instance admin, maybe of db0 themself and they can look into it more (admins of other instances have special visibility into some things)~~
Edit:
I just realized you participated in an asklemmy post, not made one yourself, I was searching incorrectly lol
Yea there are a number of other things that can happen in that case like blaze said, OP deleted the post, deleted their account, was caught posting really bad shit and their account was wholly purged etc
That actually isn't true, they can disappear it for normal users. I've had things disappear at LW and when I called it out, the shitty admin dude went after me. Also, if you delete a thread, it disappears. That's the one thing the bad place did correct up until I left, it might be different now though. They kept the threads up even if they shut down the thread. Now, it just disappears.
There are instances where deleting content permanently is a good feature, like for illegal content and spammers.
A way to list what was disappeared entirely and the reason for it would be good for transparency. Like if a comment/thread is deleted for illegal images just having a note in the modlog that it was deleted for illegal content would be good even though the images won't show. .
Spammers might still clog up the modlog though, but there could probably be a way to consolidate them or something.
I agree. I think the bad place had a warning page if it was deleted for violent or abusive content. Otherwise, it stayed up. Again, it might be different now though, I haven't been there in years now.