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I get its a recency and public vote thing but KCD2 being on here is ... A choice. Not saying it's bad but most influencial? Over GTA? Mario 64? Half life 2? Lol
I think that one baffles me the most. They make an argument for Shenmue and even if I don't agree with it being on one, I can somewhat see why it's on the list. But KCD2 has no right to be on the list at all. As they state themselves, the game is not even two months old. We can't even remotely say what its long-term influence on the gaming industry will be. Though my money is on "none at all."
Exactly. How can a brand-new game be influential? What has it had time to influence?
Yep this is extremely weird. Public voting is reaaaally bad at this. I'm sorry, but Minecraft has sold over 300 million times. That's literally 3.75% of the whole world's population. It's what a whole generation of kids grew up with, what shaped their minds massively.
Shenmue has sold 1.2 million, I had never even heard of it (which admittedly is not a measure of influence, but it does mean something), and while it apparently was one of the first games with such an extensive open world, open worlds in general were already very desired, Shenmue didn't influence anything really, it just tried to do it on a more massive scale, and even failed spectacularly economically.
Probably not a person on the world (that does computer games at all) exists who hasn't heard of Minecraft.
It's quite obvious that Minecraft should be ranked higher than Shenmue, but this questionnaire quite obviously only reached a very old demographic.
Zero Punctuation as usual gets to the heart of the matter very effectively: https://youtu.be/g4Dw0Z2Dsts
That’s for Shenmue 3. He actually made a separate video reviewing the original, but that one covers more of the history and context. TL;DR It has a devoted cult following of people who basically want a very specific type of gaming experience, but the specific game that was the first to give it to them just objectively is not very good at all as an interactive video game, which is why it has never been all that popular outside that little following. Some people trace to Shenmue the lineage of huge cinematic games that emphasize narrative, which I guess could be valid, but even a super-charitable reading shouldn’t put it anywhere near the coveted number 1 spot.
Oh, you know what happened? I just realized, I hadn’t even read the introductory material and realized it was from a public survey. It’s a “first past the post” problem. Plenty of people had various lists of games they felt passionate about (and you can tell where the boundary is where “I played this game recently and I love it now so it is my favorite” started to distort the placement of some recent games), but anyone who had Shenmue anywhere on their list put it as the number 1 spot. And so, it won by bad voting algorithm. I can almost guarantee that each respondent was only allowed a single choice for most influential game.
I actually think the list, with some exceptions, is remarkably accurate. It definitely isn’t perfect. There are also some big omissions, notably in old PC games that had a big influence or fleshed out new genres that have mutated since then, or gone extinct or something. I think they’re just outside of too many people’s memory at this point.
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Thank you. My big question from this list was "WTF is a Shenmue?"
It was just a two question + your name form: type-in your #1 pick but also why. Full-on first past the post, single vote only, no option to name other games. Pretty flawed methodology overall.
That said, I will admit that I did put in Shenmue and while I didn't expect it to get #1, I hoped it'd be top 3 at the very least. I really do trace more or less every successful strongly story based open world game of the 2000s back to a combination of Shenmue and Half-Life. Shenmue's story didn't have a super wide appeal and would be completely uninteresting to most teenagers at the time (which was still the main gaming audience), but the method of storytelling is top-notch, and its open world just felt far more genuine than anything predating it. Meanwhile, Half-Life did an excellent job at telling a story that looks boring but is actually very interesting, and did so in an engaging, if not particularly open world way.
First past the post is remarkably shit isn't it. I think your analysis is completely right.