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Well, they're proud now. In the time we have left.
The Democrats have constantly misread the situation very badly. For the typical voter, not the bourgeois liberals, not the MAGA brain-rotted dummies but the average poor working class voter the choice was:
Vote Liberal Bourgeois and maybe things might tick along for another couple of years with the rich bourgeois liberals profiting off you and telling you how good you've got it
Vote Trump, you'll definitely be fucked but all the bourgeois liberals will be fucked as well.
I mean sanity suggests that the first offer meets the self-preservation criteria better but it's not what you call an attractive offer, is it?
How do you figure?
I don't understand the question.
How do you figure that the bourgeois liberals will be fucked?
The "offer" was sane, competent, if not luxury-gay-space-communism government vs. chaos, insanity, and death.
That was the "offer".
If sane and competent gets you a decline in living standards year on year then it ain't all that attractive.
Well good news there, you won't have a moderate decline in living standards now.
I kind of think that we don't have an argument here. Trump is obviously the worse of two choices. It's just that the Democrat offering is not actually a good choice, just a less bad one. Unless you're a member of the bourgeoisie.
I am going to have a moderate decline in living standards because I live in the UK. Where our supposedly centre-left government have just decided to cut benefit payments to the disabled rather than raise taxes.
Mmm.
Well here in America, the incremental progress made by Democratic Presidents indicates we can have much more if we could get more that 50% representation in Congress. But we very rarely do, for a number of reasons, some of which were pioneered in the UK.
Still we got a budget surplus, some sort of universal health care, and a huge investment in environmental rebuilding. Because a lot of self-described leftists were targeted to be outraged by the outrageous war crimes of Likud, we now have rolled back 100 years of structure and process in roughly three months. Like Brexit-on-steroids.
And that’s just fuckin stupid.
If your definition of a 'sane, competent' government is one that continues to rabidly support an ongoing genocide, I want none of it.
Good news for you then
luxury space capitalism for the rich; the global south (especially the gazans) were never intended to be with us in the future and the democrats proved it.