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    [–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

    /triggered/

    Oh hell no. My basic critical thinking applied to googling has got me to a forum with the solution to wi-fi not working in the form of "meh, it happens. reser all network settings and reboot". Which became my personal turning point of "fuck this shit, I'd rather have actually debuggable software"

    /cooled down/

    Well, your point read as "look at the problem, search for solutions and you probably will find them" stands, it is the low competency bar that triggered me: to even know where crash logs etc might be on Windows is far beyond even "power user" level

    [–] Mesophar@pawb.social 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

    If you're searching online for how to fix the problem... Couldn't you also search online on how to find the crash logs? I fully get sometimes not having enough knowledge in a subject to even know where to begin searching, but "well, the first result wasn't helpful, guess I'll stop looking for an answer" and "it says to check XYZ, but I don't know what that is. Too bad I don't have a way to search for what things are" aren't exactly difficult hurtles to overcome.

    [–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

    I could, if only I knew they existed :)

    I only learned windows had system-level crash logs by reading someone's post about many programs ignoring that and thus it being way less helpful than one might expect it to be, while on Linux it seems something that gets picked up quite early: the system can write "check logs using journalctl something-somethng", vast number of posts asking to provide system logs with the commands to get them, various troubleshooting guides mentioning system logging. Though in the end this difference can be traced to difference in philosophies: neither microsoft, nor most authors of online guides have a habbit of troubleshooting things this way

    [–] Vopyr@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

    What? It's easy to find a solution to WiFi problems, come on.

    [–] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

    Usually, sure, but mine was just that. It helped, so kind of solution anyway