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A new Innofact poll shows 55% of Germans support returning to nuclear power, a divisive issue influencing coalition talks between the CDU/CSU and SPD.

While 36% oppose the shift, support is strongest among men and in southern and eastern Germany.

About 22% favor restarting recently closed reactors; 32% support building new ones.

Despite nuclear support, 57% still back investment in renewables. The CDU/CSU is exploring feasibility, but the SPD and Greens remain firmly against reversing the nuclear phase-out, citing stability and past policy shifts.

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[–] Katzimir@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I have been working in decomissioning npps in germany for over a decade now which is why I feel so strongly about the knee-jerk conservative BS. no, there are not -a million ways- to make waste from nuclear power plants safe. even material released from regulations (concrete from decomissioned buildings for example or soil from the ground) has some residual radioactive particles and just like alcohol in pregnancies: there is no safe amount of exposure to radiation, just a lower risk of provoking potentially fatal genetic mutation that european regulators deem acceptable. but that in and of itself is not really problematic. It is just that we cannot assume ideal conditions for running these plants. while relatively safe during a well monitored and maintained period in the power producing state of a npp that changes radically if things go south. Just look at what happened to the zhaporizhia powerplant in ukraine they actively attacked a nuclear site! And all the meticulous precautions go out the window if a bunch of rogues decide to be stupid - just because. and tbf whatever mess the release of large amounts of radioactive particles does to our environment, economy and society i would rather not find out. as others have laid out here, there are safer and better suiting alternatives that are not coal.

[–] relic_@lemm.ee 10 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

This is just straight up fear mongering. Say what you will about the economics, but the idea that there's no safe amount of radiation is ridiculous (we don't know, but presumably it's okay in some amounts since you're getting radiation doses every day even not living near anything nuclear).

The idea that NPPs are some unsafe technology just waiting to explode is dramatic and untrue.

[–] friendlymessage@feddit.org 4 points 9 hours ago

it's okay in some amounts since you're getting radiation doses every day even not living near anything nuclear).

And people get cancer every day. I don't share their argument that NPPs in normal operation are a risk, but OP is somewhat right, there's no safe radiation dose, just one we deem safe enough mainly because it doesn't significantly raise our risk of cancer compared to the natural exposure. And NPPs in normal operation emit less radiation than for example coal fire plants.

[–] Asetru@feddit.org 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

the idea that there's no safe amount of radiation is ridiculous

Except that's literally the current model used by scientific organisations: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_no-threshold_model

[–] relic_@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The model assumes a linear relationship between dose and health effects, even for very low doses where biological effects are more difficult to observe. The LNT model implies that all exposure to ionizing radiation is harmful, regardless of how low the dose is, and that the effect is cumulative over lifetime.

Emphasis mine. Sure that's a valid model, but not backed up by concrete empirical evidence.

[–] Asetru@feddit.org 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Emphasis is misleading. If you think that an "assumption" is called an assumption because there's no evidence, you don't know how words are used in science. Also, it's supposed to be the other way round... If radiation damages cells (which I guess you don't seriously doubt) there needs to be evidence for a threshold, not for there not being one. Also:

Many expert scientific panels have been convened on the risks of ionizing radiation. Most explicitly support the LNT model and none have concluded that evidence exists for a threshold, with the exception of the French Academy of Sciences in a 2005 report.

The "controversy" chapter on that page is worth a read, but the point there is still pretty clear: most scientists do not see any indication for the existence of a threshold.

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Also notice which country the scientists are from that don't agree on the lnt model... The one country that went all in on nuclear power. No shit, Sherlock.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The idea that NPPs are some unsafe technology just waiting to explode is dramatic and untrue.

You're the first person to mention exploding here. GP was saying that they make for a good target in war time to turn into a dirty bomb, either intentionally or not.

...but the idea that there's no safe amount of radiation is ridiculous (we don't know, but presumably it's okay in some amounts since you're getting radiation doses every day even not living near anything nuclear).

"We don't know"??? Sorry, but we do know.

There's no 100% safe level because any level carries some risk. Higher levels means higher risk.

Background radiation has some risk, but it's a risk we accept. X-rays, plane flights, etc all have increased risk (hence people exposed to lots of x-rays wearing leads) but we accept them. Material from decommissioned nuclear plants is way higher on this scale.

Nuclear power has downsides as well as positives. Depending on your perspective (e.g. do you work cleaning up the aftermath, or just benefitting from the energy) one will outweigh the other.

[–] relic_@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago

Okay I didn't understand OPs point I suppose. Worth nothing that they are designed to withstand airplane hits.

There's no 100% safe level because any level carries some risk.

Actually we don't know that and there's no valid empirical evidence to support that claim. We only have data at moderate to high levels. There's a big gap between walked passed a container of level waste and got impacted by a nuclear destination.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world -3 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

there is no safe amount of exposure to radiation,

Here's how I know you're a lying piece of shit.

There is literally a massive, unshielded nuclear reactor in the sky every single day.

We ARE nuclear waste.

[–] Katzimir@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

No need for name calling. I am an engineer specialized in radiation protection. Hell i actively work at nuclear sites on a daily basis. why would i lie? the underlying principle of the 'acceptable risk' i am talking about is called 'alara' - as low as reasonably achievable.

on another note: i am convinced that Staying uneducated and even actively manipulating those who dont know better is ridiculously destructive to our society. Please don't do that.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

So as an engineer myself, airplanes are vastly more dangerous than nuclear power.

Cars even more so.

The issue is regulation, but the US has never had a nuclear accident that caused deaths in our history, and neither has France which is basically running half of Europe off its nuclear plants.

This is fear-mongering, plain and simple.

Russia obviously has killed many people, but they killed millions of people from not having food, they don't consider death a risk, it's just part of life.

The rest of the world? Engineers are easily capable of making the craziest things safe, again, see air-travel which has more risks by orders of magnitude.

Early planes crashed all the time, and early reactor designs were very dangerous.

That's why us engineers are so absolutely awesome, we don't stop making things better.

[–] daw@feddit.org 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Unshielded if you ignore around 149.000.000 km distance. And it's still the largest cause of skin cancer which is one of the most widespread ones.

You stupid fuck should think for a second before you spout bullshit in such a vile and disrespectful manner.

I'm down for being critical on the internet but you should go back straight to Reddit as that is the cesspool that this type of behaviour deserves.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The sun pumps more radiation to you then any nuclear reactor will for anyone except the guys who fucked with the demon core.

And by your own argument, the sun kills thousands every year.

How many have died from nuclear reactors? Not counting the russians/soviets of course, who shouldn't be allowed to play with the rounded scissors we got in preschool.

They are far, FAR safer than coal, which killed thousands a year, I was in China during the bad times, it was horrific.

You're like an evangelical who believes a thing based on no proof.

[–] umfk@lemmy.world -1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Lol you contradicted yourself. First you implied that the sun is proof that there is a safe level of radiation and then you agree that the sun kills people. 🤡

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

It also gives us vitamin-d.

But hey, since nuclear is so bad, I guess you can never go to the beach, or outside, ever, because all radiation is evil.