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I believe that its pointless to argue this way or that about antinatalism, as we no longer have control of a population encroaching 8 billion. It just becomes a moot point to bash each other on over the internet (which can be said about a multitude of other subjects).

I'm not going to have kids. That's just what I want. Going extreme on antinatalism or pronatalism is just circling back to telling other people what they should do with their bodies. Everything is just so extreme these days. Its do or die in the eyes of the public, no matter what you do, and its grating.

Why is it the highest thing someone can aspire to? You don't think being a Nobel-winning scientist is as important as being a parent?

and the highest thing someone can aspire to be is a parent

Be a good parent.

Far too many out there are shit, or at best mediocre parents.

If you're going to say the church, the school, the neighbors, other family members, anyone else is who should raise your kids, you should aspire for a vasectomy.

If you aspire to just pump out kids for a number game, you missed the Dark Ages. Though a Mennonite community may be your thing.

Im not too judgemental of most anti-natalists but the ones who claim having kids is bad for the planet can fuck right off.

I hate this myth. The world can absolutely support a large human population IF we arent all living the same hideously wasteful lifestyle. We need to change our consumeristic shitstain of a culture. Blaming population growth is just a means to justify continuing to live wasteful lifestyles and not having to change anything.

Its literally just placing a higher value on consumerism than human lives. Its gross.

Antinatalism is a mistake - I think I agree there, mostly because it's a path to a narrow gene pool and increases the probability of extinction.

Highest aspiration being parenthood - hard pass there, the highest aspiration in life is the seeking and sharing of knowledge.

Lol you should work for an online ad agency.

How many kids do you have?

I agreed with this up until the 'and'.

Donct ypu realize the end of the world is nigh, and also bad things happen that cause sadness, and therefore our species should stop procreating until nothing bad ever happens again?

Why?

On, that's easy to address. You don't need to have kids as long as you're improving society so that other people's kids thrive.

Now we're inclusive of the infertile and accomplish the same goal.

But I also agree, fucking is the best

antinatalism is gross but I don't think the highest aspiration is parenthood

Oooeh this is one is gonna piss off a lot of lemmings. This is one of those hard echo chamber topics that haunt Lemmy.

Also don't mention religion, that will also twist a lot of panties on here

imo u don't necessarily have to be a parent, you can be a parental figure to a younger person, be a good role model and teach them well

Well obviously if you're fully antinatalist you're basically working towards human extinction.

But I think that a healthy society includes a few child-free people. In fact, as someone without kids, I'd happily pay a much higher tax rate so that parents can stay home with their kids. I doubt I'd be a good parent anyways, and so I'd prefer to contribute to society in ways people with families can't.