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[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Ok so, cutting away at the chaff here, your answer was diplomacy.

That's a have waving, dismissive and ignorant take.

First of all, you'd have to have something you can negotiate with. Something the other side wants that they don't have. What, exactly, do the American people have that Trump doesn't have already? He's already got control over the American people, either through propaganda or force. If you're thinking that the one card we have is our labor, and also think the military can obliterate us from space, then you might want to look up how the military was used through like, all of labor history through the US. Or South America.

Second, diplomacy and negotiation with whom? The Trump? The guy who's known for not negotiating? Who goes back on every word? Negotiation comes from people trusting they are going to keep their word and Trump absolutely will not. And do you want a whole new human rights organization to throw on the pile that's already being ignored, or do you want to utilize a new one?

Third, negotiation has been tried. Democrats "negotiate", make concessions (which is an inevitable part of negotiating) and we get what? Just a slide to the right each time. You really want to negotiate with fascists?

Fourth, you'd also have to get everyone who's opposed to Trump and the Republicans to organize, agree to what the terms are, and send representatives. That alone is a Herculean effort. You can't get along with people on Lemmy, how are you going to get people to agree nationwide? Assuming you don't get assassinated in the attempt, what negotiating power do you even have of they even would deign to meet with you?

Fifth, the military does have it's weaknesses. A lot of soldiers do have problems with attacking us citizens in a full on war. Some would even defect. And the us military has a real hard time dealing with guerilla warfare, just look at Vietnam. Especially with supply chain issues because of the tariffs, and if there was a dismantling of the supplies and communications on the home front. So dismissing it out of hand as impossible is jumping the gun I think.

My point is that, while nonviolent revolution is a useful tool, I don't think it's the only tool that should be used, and we should keep other options open.