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[–] Kookie215@lemmy.world 217 points 1 day ago (30 children)

They want us to riot so bad. They are foaming at the mouth trying to justify enacting Martial Law and every day it feels like its more and more inevitable that we will end up there. Either they are going to keep violating the constitution and getting away with it until they don't need to enact it, or eventually shit hits the fan at a protest. I don't see any other option at this point. They are taunting us, and it's going to work eventually.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You are 100% correct, that is definitely the plan. Have the RedHats instigate violence, then call in the military to quell the violence with even more ferocious violence, and Hegseth will definitely give the order to fire on American citizens. It will be like Tiananmen Square, but in cities all over America. Once he has declared Martial Law, he can suspend elections until peace is restored, and since he will control the peace.

The 2026 midterms are shaping up to be a bloodbath, and he can't afford to lost one or both chambers to the Democrats, where they can have control of investigative committees, with subpoena and arrest powers.

So he has to time it right, so the courts and SCOTUS wont have time to react before election day. That means next summer/fall. By then, Luigi's trial will be in play, many more activities will be criminalized, he will have sent Americans to El Salvador, the first stage of the 30,000 bed facility in Gitmo may be open (or soon), he will have imprisoned political opponents, store shelves will be empty, other goods will be tripled in price, we'll be in a deep recession, there will be food shortages, etc. Anything is possible, but it will all add up to public outrage like we have never seen, and he will take full advantage of it to end our system of government, and become a one more incompetent Dictator.

Then it's on.

[–] iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure Trump will start a war before the elections, both to boost his ratings and to justify extraordinary powers because of the emergency that he will have just created.

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He tried very hard to do so with Iran last time around, when he committed a war crime faking a diplomatic meeting in order to assassinate one of their to generals.

[–] iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 23 hours ago

Yes I think that it will be with Iran this time too. I mean, nobody can know with Trump since he's an avatar of Chaos, but it is a good option. Big and powerful enough that you don't accidentally win in 48 hours. Not an ally of any western country. Already have propaganda queued up since 1979 or so.

[–] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 71 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

NAIL ON THE HEAD.

the ironic thing is that the us govt has done a ton of studies on the 'breaking point of society'. but they're not science bros, so they're just gonna do it their way.

even the canada thing. he's literally costing himself a canadian conservative govt that was all-but guaranteed. but he doesn't want that with canada; he just wants (edit-typo) manufactured conflict.

but you're absolutely right. he's doing everything he can to cause riots so that he can enact "marshall" law and crack down once and for all. my god, why can't my american neigbours all see it?

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Update. That election ultimately did end up in a conservative loss. In no small part to the trump attitudes on geopolitics and the nonexistent "culture war"

[–] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

i just wrote a whole fucking paragraph, hit send, and it disappeared. i need to remember to write my shit in a text editor when i'm on lemmy.

i defy anyone to show me any other reason that this historic swing solely due to the actions of one particular idiot.

i went on in my first draft to describe how politics in canada still have some nuance, and that this was an indication that TONS of people who were ready to kick red to the curb had to hold their noses to vote for our sovereignty.

but - to me - this shouldn't be the way things should be going. i agree with a lot of people in that the liberal party really needed a reckoning. if harris won in the us, i'd have been fine with a conservative pm. but pp definitely didn't do himself any favours, either, and it would have been a lot of OTHER people holding their noses to vote pc. hell, i've been impressed with doug ford lately, and i didn't think i'd ever say that.

so now that i've typed this up in xed, we'll see how many tries it takes to get it to stick. my guess, given my luck, is that it'll work on the fucking first try now.

[–] msprout@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago
[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 18 points 1 day ago

not science bros, so they're just gonna do it their way.

i just think they’re petulant children with absolutely no self control

trump literally as old as he is right now would take the marshmallow in the stanford marshmallow experiment, and then try and convince someone that you stole his other marshmallow

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"marshall" law.

"I dub thee Sir Phobos, beater of ass."

[–] proper@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

that’s martian law, barbeaubot

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 7 points 1 day ago

More jut! It don't mean butt if it don't got that jut.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I don't think they want it. Numbers aren't in their favor. We aren't remotely close to Russian or Chinese levels of generational suppression.

But they likely don't know they don't want it. They assume they will get absolute power one way or the other because China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, etc have absolute power in their state.

I doubt the Tiananmen Square massacre would have been nearly as effective with the speed at which information flows nowadays. Sure - major corporate media can suppress as much as it can, but millions of people were able to turn out for protests quickly, and think of how fast we all found out about the arrest of two judges.

Against any totalitarian government, the most effective weapon is information, followed closely by communication. I am willing to bet that there isn't code sitting on our phones waiting for the government to just shut it all down.

[–] SpaceShort@feddit.uk 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

This means we should encourage more and more people to join Lemmy, Bluesky etc., install Linux and donate to Wikipedia.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

When Musk first mentioned something along the lines of Wikipedia=bad my annual donation turned monthly.

[–] SpaceShort@feddit.uk 1 points 8 hours ago

I also started a monthly donation. Was previously haphazard.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The government can absolutely shut down the internet and telecommunications. They can also send propaganda straight to your phone that you can’t stop.

[–] SpaceShort@feddit.uk 3 points 16 hours ago

Then we put up our own propaganda as posters.

[–] msprout@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I dunno if this is anyone else but me, but, in the US this weekend, I heard a radio advertisement on our local Clear Channel / CBS station that was just a guy without music, forcefully stating that "tariffs are a matter of national security."

That was honestly so surreal that I wasn't sure if I had imagined it.

[–] SpaceShort@feddit.uk 2 points 16 hours ago

We need a Radio Free America, operating from Canada.

[–] RedPostItNote@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

One time I was at the internet place picking up a new router. The internet in the area had just gone down and angry people were literally coalescing upon the store like zombies.

Godspeed to anyone who turns the data off to America

[–] Liberteez@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 2 points 15 hours ago

One in Wisconsin one in New Mexico

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I appreciate that this "riots are part of their plan" post acknowledges that not rioting just means a bloodless coup. People keep putting this argument up like the optimal move is just continually not taking the bait under the assumption that some easy solution will eventually come to fruition, but it's just the frog arguing for boiling itself. They're not going to just have four years of people letting them do whatever they want and then run free and fair elections because we didn't take the bait.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Would be nice if there was some leadership on the dems side to, you know, address the volatility of the nation right now. Schumer seriously sending angry letters. If riots break out I hold them equally responsible. They will literally sit on their hands until the country goes up in flames and come out afterwards saying we need unity.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I've been expecting the US to explode into a near civil war type situation for months now. You have a relatively small group of very heavily armed people who are willing to die for their dictator, you have a now dictatorial regime wanting to change the US into a theocracy and you have the other 200+ million Americans with varying degrees of weapons who are just about ready to make shit hit the fan. I wonder if US military has prepared for this, and whose side it will chose, but I imagine it will be fracture d and splintered between factions.

It would be super interesting to watch if it wasnt so goddamn scary because these fuckers have the world's second largest nuclear arsenal and have of these idiots in command are the doomsday types who will happily fire nukes world wide when shit gets real, just to make sure that jeebus would come back to earth to pick them up personally.

Fuck I hate this and I hate these hateful people. I hate it that these people have pushed so much hate in me

[–] SpaceShort@feddit.uk 2 points 16 hours ago

Better civil war than fascist rule. Better nuclear war even. The worst thing nukes can do is kill you.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago

I am hoping the intelligence agencies of other powers would disrupt "our" nuclear capabilities. It is in the interest of China, Europe, Canada, Mexico, and humanity in general if Trump can't flash-fry the world.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's a great strategy, either we riot and they bring out the army, or we do nothing and they get what they want unopposed.
"The second American revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it"

We're so fucked.

[–] SpaceShort@feddit.uk 3 points 16 hours ago

Better to bet on the army. They might refuse to follow orders.

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