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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted clever little truths, hidden in daily life.

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[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

That "could" is doing a lot of work for that premise. We are currently structured as an amalgam of disparate chains of systems interacting with each other in loosely defined ways.

If you want to take the ability of sovereign entities to self determine, then sure we "could" organize in this other way.

But we don't have a god emperor of earth, so we will need to rely on this loose consensus instead of a dictated one.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why does it have to be dictated? People can freely organize in a democratic way.

The problem is that people may join just because it is better, without fully supporting the respect towards others that is needed in such a system.

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Things don't happen that way. "Can, may, could" means that there will be pockets of people that don't subscribe to the ideology and undermine it.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's the challenge. I still believe that it is possible.

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Alright, thanks for confirming my opinion.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You are welcome.

What's your opinion if you don't mind me asking?

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That’s a very uneducated take, and shows that you don’t understand how access to information can be changed, and modeled to elicit certain outcomes.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was arguing that history is not needed when we have access to all experiences so we can ignore history if it is tainted.

You say that relying on wrong history is dangerous and in the original comment, you say that well cited information is essential.

There is no real contradiction but you have shown how access to information can be changed, or framed, and modeled to elicit certain outcomes.

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Define "tainted", "wrong"(your word I never used that word) and how the context of history is not required to detect such things.

Define what we know in a way that doesn't have a historical basis.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How does science know if something is true, with experiments.

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] seeigel@feddit.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Enlighten me. Science can always be recreated. Which knowledge is needed from history that cannot be created in a scientific way?

Science was created for a time when knowledge was insecure because it was tainted with superstition.

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nah. Define your axioms like I said. If you won't, you can't.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As you noted, I rephrased your words. We are not talking about my axioms. It doesn't make sense to define tainted if that is not what you mean.

Still, your point seems to be that definition of words require history. You can have that form of history. The context is just that history is rewritten and I argue that that can be compensated with science.

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can? How? Go read any intro book on epistemology. You are talking out of your ass and it's disrespectful to everyone that actually takes knowledge and human progress seriously.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You are not wrong that I should read a book on epistemology. But why do you ask me how science can create knowledge? If you have read those books yourself, you should know.

[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You are wrong on the point that essential decisions can be made without history. You don't know the first thing about what knowledge actually is, and I asked you that because I didn't think you could answer and it confirmed for me that you are uneducated.

You didn't do the barest minimum of work on this, your opinion is uneducated and you are being disrespectful.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org -1 points 1 day ago

You may be right. Then please explain to me how history is needed for science.