cross-posted from: https://50501.chat/post/177705
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We're friendly to AI art on this instance. If you don't like that, the door is over there.
Silence, pro-AI troll
You can be friendly to it, but that doesn't mean you need to like everything. People are friendly to traditional art, doesn't mean they have to like every single piece of traditional art. People can be into food, but they don't need to like every single cuisine.
Surely you wouldn't take the position every single thing on here needs to be GenAI? So in the middle is where we find ourselves.
So be discerning, you owe yourself that at least.
Back to the topic:
This piece is just a bit rubbish and kinda unmemorable. The one I linked did a better job of conveying the same message in a more memorable way IMO, and it seems that opinion is shared by other users of your instance.
There's s small handful of folks who dogmatically hate-post about anything genAI. But the vast majority couldn't care less. This is in fact a relatively popular post for this community at 106 downvotes and 519 upvotes, and that's including all the anti-genAI downvote bots, and all the neoliberals. So remind me why ~1/6 of users should dictate to everyone else what the community allows?
And tbh we are never gonna become anti anti-genAI instance. Fuck copyrights and the horse they rode in on (capitalism). You anti-genAI trolls are becoming annoying enough we might need to add a rule about it.
Given my comment got half the upvotes of the post, I could make the argument that half of the people in here agree with me saying it was a bit rubbish.
Like be honest, do you genuinely think the original post is actually more memorable and effective* at conveying the message than the Murdoch one? If you do, that's fine I guess, art is subjective, but you don't get to insist everyone else has to love it.
*This is a lefty memes community remember, that's the important thing
Not how math works i'm afraid. At most that would be 25%, and a bunch of them probably just like the other meme.
We already had the Murdoch one posted before. Its not a zero sum game.
You should, if you're going to remove comments you don't like and break no rules.
This whole debate is off topic for the community. If you want to open a META post about whether we should allow GenAI in this community then just do that, instead of trolling in the comments.
so you're saying you're friendly towards some AI art, right?
Yeah if it's actually got artistic merit or is actually interesting in some way sure, life isn't black & white, so I won't be either. Cards on the table, I've got some issues with how some of the big models have been trained and deployed, but no real issue with the technology itself.
The AI art will be at most as good as the effort going into it, and honestly it's pretty clear that 90% of the stuff you see posted around at the moment barely had 30 mins spent on the idea.
I can guarantee I'm not gonna like much of any traditional art where it's clearly low effort and derivative either. The best art does something new and interesting
Ok fair enough. Just wanted to make sure you weren’t doing the whole separate rules for different viewpoints thing.
It's a memes community not fine art ffs
I was asked a question about AI art so I answered 🤷♂️
Even tried to bring it back on topic
the instance sidebar and title literally mentions AI. the artwork you see including the favico is AI generated. the head admin runs a genai site providing free image generation.
you don't have to like it, but nobody here cares if you do. we like genai on this instance.
That may be, but it is not because the admin is open to AI, that we all have to follow that sentiment and welcome AI slop like this one. We all free to have our own opinions. It's fine if you don't oppose it, but speak for yourself and not for every user on this instance.
exactly, speak for yourself. this instance is AI friendly, so if you want to try to exclude AI, then do so on some other instance. you don't get to speak for the rest of the instance with your anti-AI slop.
you're the one that was generalising for the entire instance, not me
Difference is that @_cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com is correct. If you want to raise a governance topic on whether we should ban genAI on this instance then please do so instead of trolling in the comment threads.
what? I never said that
What's the confusion? I'm saying to open a governance topic on whether we should ban genAI on this instance if you want to debate the merits, don't argue about it here.
also if you remove my comments you should remove the other guy's comments too, now you're just picking a side in the argument and silencing the other side. not cool
The only two comments of yours I removed for breaking rule 1 of this community:
That isn't presenting a 'side'. It's just name calling.
so i cant say pirates aren't monsters? on a piracy instance?
That’s not what you said, so stop trying to spin your words. You first implied we were “monsters”, then you explicitly called me one.
Don’t act like you haven’t been super hostile over the whole thing.
If you can't see how those statements violate rule 1 of this community then I don't know what to tell you.
i never said it should be banned
So you are just planning to complain about it each time or what?
i never complained, i just disagreed to someone claiming that everyone likes AI generated images here
Nobody said that. I said, don’t complain about AI art on an instance that’s friendly to it. You don’t have to like it, just don’t bitch about it. And sure as hell don’t call people “monsters” multiple times for not agreeing with you.
You’re getting all defensive about it, but only one side has been consistently hostile to the other about the whole thing.
you implied liking AI artwork made people monsters. that's a generalization. and a stupid one at that, considering where you are.
well, you joined us, despite knowing this instance heavily supports genAI, so your continued presence here means you implicitly support genAI as well. if you didn't, you would move somewhere else.
what country do you live in? do you agree with everything your government supports? yes right? because if you didn't, you would move somewhere else
you're comparing moving instances, which is free and takes 2 minutes, to moving countries? that's the argument you want to make?
no just that using an instance doesn't mean you have the same opinions as the admin
I mean, if you think liking genAI makes you a monster, then hanging out with people who like genAI would make you a monster too.
well thats fine i wasnt planning to hang out with you