it's that there are too many people living under a regime that compels them to wantonly consume, pollute, and generally destroy the ecosystem in favor of the sole benefit of a miniscule number of oligarchs

in other words, the planet has the carrying capacity to sustain all of us theoretically, but not practically as things are today, at least not if humans continue living according to capitalist hyper consumptive individualism.

so yeah, there are too many people - unless we effectively reprogram all of modern culture to embrace a sustainable and pro environmental ethics... which you and I know, isn't going to happen.

QED: too many people.

note: this is different from the other commenters take because it's not making claims about human nature as being inherently bad. it's just claiming that the system/culture people are born into is bad and does in fact impose artificial limitations on the capacity of the planet to support diverse ecosystems

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Only americans consume too much, thats 4 % of the population, you should really listen to the podcast episode

[–] stopdropandprole@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

appreciate the rec, I've been a patreon to Climate Town for years and already listened to that episode of CDH...

my point still stands. "too much" is a spectrum, my opinion likely differs significantly from most people, including Rollie's. i lean towards the Daniel Quinn side of environmental ethics, which definitely places more than just fat over consuming Americans in the category of unsustainable cultures.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Well then the good news for you is that lots of wealthy "western" countries are starting to decline in population and will actually need immigration to keep up numbers. There is the pretty nice Kurzgesagt video about how South Korea is basically done.