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Nothing "derailing" us. Not everyone has the same threat model. The messages are private and that's what's most important. Signal can only provide phone number and last connection time to the feds. If that's too much information for you, then you're not the target group and have a different threat model.
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No, that isn't true. WhatsApp has the same lies. Law enforcement connect communication between users at key times and use it as credible evidence. Why would drug exporter 1 be communicating with drug buyer 1 at the exact time the delivery arrives in the country? Law enforcement doesn't need to know what was written.
What are you talking about? Are you saying sealed sender is a lie? If so, I want some proof.
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They are referring to message metadata.
Even if they don't show the content of messages, if they can show that phone number A is sending messages and getting replies to number B then that's all the government needs.
https://signal.org/legal/
They store metadata, which is distinct from encrypted data.
https://signal.org/blog/sealed-sender/
They have a list of encrypted messages, who it's from and who it's to, based upon the sealed sender description. If you are using phone numbers then you are not anonymous, and a TLA agency can search known bad numbers even if Signal does not try to build that graph.
Did.. Did you just read the problem they were trying to solve, and just, skip the solution?
No.
They haven't hidden it yet. It's a goal.
The ONLY data Signal stores about you is your phone number, most recent registration time/date and most recent login time/date. They don't know who you're messaging or when you're messaging them AFAIK.
You can see this for yourself at signal.org/bigbrother
I am really frustrated when this is brought up, since it only shows what they have been collecting so far, not what they're capable of collecting. The government agencies can force them to do whatever modifications to the server AND to keep completely silent about it. I am still trying to understand whether Sealed Sender would protect from a server collecting and recording ALL the data it possibly can.
Also if anyone else wrote it, there would be so much savaging of weasel words.
They brag that they don't retain this data, so when governments request historical data they don't have it.
They don't say that they don't provide it for anyone else to retain, so if they are given the to and from to process the message, and provide this to the CIA to retain then all of this security would be useless but would also fulfill all of the claims here.