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Fun to think about, but American males are not ready for a strong female presence in their lives. They can't handle it.
I would love for AOC to show the world her fire and Americans some grace. Not going to happen with the lot in America right now sadly.
Disagree. I think that the failures of Harris and Clinton have a lot more to do with campaign and messaging failures than they do with the fact that they're women. We're living a populist moment, and the democrats want to rise to that with "noooo lmao everything's fine, you're not actually struggling at the grocery store shut up lol. Nooo we can't offer a real policy platform to vote for, just vote against Nazis for the rest of your life and hope we never lose (we will, and we'll blame you)."
They're GOING to fuck this up in 2028 if we even have elections, and they're not going to let anyone stop them from fucking it up, not even AOC or David Hogg. Right now, Gavin Newsom is leaning hard into giving himself a republican-lite glow-up so that he can run the Newsom/Pence ticket in 2028 and try to peel off a whole six moderate republicans. Their campaign platform will be:
Bulldoze the homeless (now with BIGGER dozers!)
shut up, don't worry about it, just keep voting against Nazis for the rest of your life and hope we never lose (we will, and we'll blame you)
This take is SO dumb, did you completely ignore that Hilary won the popular vote?
Congrats? Still didn't win the election, which is all that matters here.
This misogynist BS is soooo tired. Michelle Obama would have easily crushed Trump. But the dems serve capital better by losing.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4753294-michelle-obama-donald-trump-joe-biden-democrat-2024-hypothetical-matchup-survey/
I don't know if American men are ready for it, but neither Harris nor Clinton were strong presidential candidates, and not because of their gender.
They weren't, but they were a hell of a lot stronger than Trump. And Biden for that matter.
The reality is there's clearly a double standard in how Americans - both male and female - view women as candidates. Look at how they attacked Kamala for having a monogamous relationship with Willie Brown while Trump cheated on 3 spouses and sexually assaulted somewhere between 1 and 25 people.
Does anyone think there's a chance that a woman who was caught cheating on her spouse could get elected? And it's not just sex stuff, the way opinions and mannerisms are scrutinized is different too. There's 100x as many ways for a woman to be cringe as a man.
it was soely sexism, the fact you dont think that means your also kinda sexists too.
Spreading the delusional belief that it was solely sexism is sexist because it discourages people from voting for a woman.
Clinton and Harris were both absolutely shitty candidates. AOC is not, and can rally a huge segment of voters who previously stayed home.
Such a sexist statement. To both genders.
That's a bunch of bs. It was sexism, pure and simple.
Clinton was an accomplished lawyer and accomplished civil servant in her own right, having spent her entire life in service. As former first lady, she had exclusive access to the inner machinations of the presidency (I'm not saying that being the spouse of an elected leader alone qualifies one for that position (see Republicans' voting for dead candidates and swapping the deceased's spouse in after the election)), but rather adds to the cumulative total. She was also the head of the state department.
And because of a successful attack at a foreign embassy in a hostile nation, that became a millstone around her neck that trumpers bashed her for, capping off an otherwise stellar career.
Against that orange buffoon, on paper, she should have mopped the floor with his toupe'
Harris was VP, senator, Attorney General. She didn't have the cv of Clinton, but she was a woman, and she had a foreign sounding name. I worked as an election inspector (not the jackoff people who challenge voter's ability to vote, but the people who conduct the election at the local jurisdiction level). The election room as a smallish town hall, and many couples came in to vote together. The amount of people who were speaking loud enough to be overheard saying things like: "never vote for a woman" or making referring to "white pride" was shockingly scarry. They wanted to be heard.
Why, yes, I live in a racist, misogynistic hellhole - how'd you guess?
Hillary also had to contend with Bernie as her opponent in the primary, a much more beloved candidate who polled better than both her and Trump, and was also handicapped by the Dems running a crooked primary by saying that they didn't have to and would never pick Bernie as the candidate, even if he won the primary. She also called herself a "Goldwater girl" during the campaign, a man who ran for President on segregation as a campaign promise. People also had a negative view of her because she's a Clinton, and there was a bit of dissatisfaction with "political dynasties" after the Bush era.
And Harris ran a campaign that tried to appeal to conservative voters with promises such as building the wall on the Mexican border and campaigning with Cheney, which caused her to immediately begin losing percentages in the polls amongst independent voters. She also has a legacy of questionable actions against minorities of color during her time in California, which I saw a number of people criticizing.
Not to say that sexism and racism didn't play a part because oh my God, even here in liberal Massachusetts I see that shit. But they also did the usual Democrat campaign strategy of not appealing to their base because they were courting a mythical moderate conservative voter that doesn't exist, and that's a losing strategy. Dems fall in love, Republicans fall in line. AOC is so popular because she speaks to the issues that people have, and she does so passionately.
Despite that, I unfortunately remain unconvinced that she could pull out a presidential victory because of the aforementioned racism and sexism that's so prevalent in this country. As someone wiser than me once said, racism is so American that when you criticize it, people think that you're criticizing America.
The idea that they lost only because of sexism is the most delusional shit I've ever fucking heard, oh my God
Please tell me these are bot accounts because otherwise wow I agree that is truly brain worms level stuff
Personally, I don't think we should allow any men to be president. Just of think of how absurd it is. We keep electing a bunch of testosterone-addled rage junkies to be in charge of the nuclear button. Men are just too emotional to be president, or even leaders in general. They're just as likely to take off their pants and start waiving their dicks at each other as they are to come up with something that even meets the definition of "policy." Electing a man a leader is like electing a rabid inbred gorilla hopped up on PCP as a leader.
Men belong in the home. That's their rightful place. That way they don't have to spend too much time seeing other men, which only inspires rage reflexes in them. You let two men meet and they start beating their chests and trying to assert dominance over each other, usually while stripping off clothing and pulling out firearms. Men have no place in politics, business, or any field that really matters. Men should be kept in the home where they can't do too much damage.
But a man as president? Comically absurd. Literal clown world. How could such irrational, angry, emotionally fragile beings ever be elected a leader?
How can you trust someone who doesn’t bleed for their country once a month?
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Michelle Obama would have destroyed Trump. The dems chose to lose.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4753294-michelle-obama-donald-trump-joe-biden-democrat-2024-hypothetical-matchup-survey/
Both were trying to cater to people on the fence and lost the vote of people further left in that pursuit...
And still didn't get the people on the fence.
None of those people were ever going to vote Democrat
The cry of the Democrats addicted to losing elections
Clinton was part of the Clinton Crime Family and Harris was a cop. Terrible choices.
Clinton Crime family? Lmao. Clinton's are street thugs compared to the Trump Crime family.
Yeah but the Democratic base is less likely to turn out for criminals than the Republican base.
Oh I am NOT denying that hahaha
Male here. Hillary was probably the worst female option who's ever ran for president.
Kamala wasn't much better, and felt like a rush job to prevent Biden being an easy sweep.
Not that I'm advocating for trump in either case. I'm just saying its like the old south park joke of douche vs turd sandwich.
Only difference is that AOC is actually a good choice. Whereas Hillary and Kamala were never good choices.
I would fully support an AOC run. I would vote FOR AOC. Whereas with Hillary and Kamala it felt like it was voting against trump by selecting "whoever the opposition is".
Which for the record, isn't a gender thing. Biden was also "not trump" on the ballots in 2020. You didn't vote FOR Biden. You voted AGAINST trump.
Hillary likely would have made a great moderate president. She was a "bad choice" only because Fox News attacked her for 20 years.
Downvotes but she was a cool hippy chick once. Neoliberal was the game she chose to play and it might have worked if she played more on the radical side
You need to rephrase that as “falsely ex-MAGAt American males who will immediately vote Republican next election despite claiming they were moving a sub from it for our sympathy and so they wouldn’t face the consequences they deserve” aren’t ready…
People are downvoting you, and as much as I would like it to not be true, you are right. There's too many male dems I've talked to that didn't vote for Kamala because she was a woman. It was shocking, and disappointing to say the least.
So I can't, in good conscience, downvote you, because you're not wrong, as much as I don't like it.
Edit: I also should have expected people also downvoting me just because they don't like the message. I don't like it either, but downvoting me does not make it less true. I voted for Hillary and Kamala and campaigned for them both, so don't downvote me just because I'm the messenger of observations about shitty behaviors I've encountered among my fellow dems.
Hell, plenty of American women aren't either.
My brain has a conniption whenever I try to see how women could vote against other accomplished successful women, their own interests, and instead for a misogynistic ugly orange rapist. Like I’m done trying to understand the stupidity. 🙄
The same way poor people keep voting for right wing parties
Stupidity in some cases, but indoctrination in a lot of cases.
What a sweeping generalization!
Maybe stop with the strawman argument and you'd get a bit further. Myself, and I'm sure plenty of others, are really sick of being painted as a villain before even entering the conversation. All you're doing is furthering the divide, not shortening it.
I see it all over Lemmy - angry liberals painting the opposition as vile and inhuman. Making all these strawman up. Makes other liberals not want to associate with you. Makes you seem just like the people you vilify.
You want a society of love and acceptance? Start with yourself. Create a happy accepting vibe around yourself and make it grow from there. But don't salt the ground and then wonder why nothing grows.
Edit: hey geniuses downvotting me and calling me conservative scum: I'm a registered Democrat. Thanks for proving my point with more strawmen. You assume that if someone disagrees with you they're immediately a MAGA Nazi instead of someone who legitimately disagrees with your methods and actions. You taint the discourse just as much as your opposition.
Yeah no, ICE deported a four year old with stage four cancer.
If you support the felon rapist who’s spent every single decade of his life an entitled shit destroying as many fucking lives as he could…
Nah, if you voted for Trump that is the same in my book as supporting Hitler. Supporting Trump makes you a fascist, and there is only one cure for fascism.
Another great strawman. I'm a registered Democrat. Thank you for proving my point. Because only a conservative could disagree with you /s
You’re not even providing arguments to straw man bruv, you’re just sealioning here.
And yet when told I disagree with you you immediately go off about maga Nazis. That's your strawman. You can't stop foaming at the mouth about it while other Democrats are trying to have an actual conversation with you. Some of you are just as rabid as the people you hate.
You haven’t made an argument to engage with. All you have said so far is “lefties are meanies!” Mild criticism is “foaming at the mouth.”
I think your problem is that you aren’t here in good faith, and that stink comes through the computer monitor.
Umm .... My first post: maybe stop attacking everyone and you'd find more supporters. That is an argument. But you've been too busy... checks notes ...attacking me endlessly. I started by critiquing someone saying males are too insecure to be governed by a woman. That maybe that kind of inflammatory language doesn't help. And..... Here you are being inflammatory and wondering why you aren't winning.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
Lol, here’s the original comment you were responding to for context:
You are a thin skinned centrist whiner with nothing of value to say. Which is why you don’t feel comfortable on lemmy - you have nothing of value to contribute.
Nah
your comment is exactly what conservatives say " if you argue against a conservative than you are no better than they are" get over yourself.
Nah, I'm a liberal getting sick of my own party and people for being hypocritical themselves.
Do you want to stand for something or win elections and progress? I dont care about race or sex, just like you don't, but that's not the reality of America today.
I'll chose having values and standing for something, yes.