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[–] Libra@lemmy.ml 7 points 13 hours ago (7 children)

Capitalism - and I am the last person to defend it - didn't used to be like this, or at least not as bad. shrug I could probably tolerate capitalism if, say, no company was allowed to employ more than say 15 people.

[–] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 2 hours ago

Late stage capitalism, then. 🤷‍♂️

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

It’s an interesting debate, if what we are seeing now is the natural, inevitable progress of capitalism, or it could have gone a better way, but eg. Reagan fucked it up for all of us in the 70s.

[–] wuzzlewoggle@feddit.org 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Capitalism didn't used to be like this because it was still developing, but it was always going to become this. Enshitification is not a bug, it's a feature. Capitalism is supposed to work like this. And when it wasn't, it was just because it wasn't there yet, mainly due to technical limitations.

[–] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 hours ago

Enshitification is a consequence of legalized dumping. Companies are allowed to dump loss-making profucts and services on the market until they achieve dominance, then they squeeze the users that now have nowhere else to go. In startup-lingo this is blitzscaling followed by monetization. Our competition laws are 30 years behind the curve on this stuff.

[–] anzo@programming.dev 2 points 5 hours ago

Continued expansion or ever-increasing profits is a definitive characteristic of the system though. Enshittification is just the latest feature it found, for software-based companies.

One could also argue that enshittification is independent to software, like diluting juice or other "innovations" that products received...

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

That it wasn't always like this doesn't mean that it wouldn't always lead there though.

I think that is the point.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 22 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

yeah it’s not like Smith predicted this but yeah … it’s certainly not human nature either.

i’d be happy if shareholders, all of them, were held criminally responsible for the criminal things corporations do - all the way down to wage theft and child labor.

[–] Libra@lemmy.ml 9 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

That'd be a hell of a thing. I'm with you on that one. Too bad this country is by, for, and about the rich and we don't really.. do consequences for the rich.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 hours ago

we don’t really… do consequences for the rich.

We used to. That's why it didn't used to be like this.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago

Sounds a lot like gig economy for everyone.