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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 13 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Wasn't the bump stock banned by Trump after the Vegas shooting? Then unbanned under Biden?

[–] OmegaMan@lemmings.world 13 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Supreme Court unbanned it 6-3. Not really Biden's call.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee -3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I said unbanned under Biden. I didn't say he actually did it.

[–] OmegaMan@lemmings.world 15 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Sure, but "under" implies he had authority over the decision.

[–] Pnut@lemm.ee -1 points 4 hours ago

It shouldn't. That's not how it works.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee -4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I am aware. I wasn't sure how to word it.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 7 points 5 hours ago

“Then unbanned by the Supreme Court during Biden” would do just fine

[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Sure. But this isn't a bump stock. It's a forced reset trigger that was just unbanned.... Which is insane. It essentially converts semi automatic weapons to automatic weapons.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 5 points 15 hours ago

But it doesn't.

An automatic firearm shoots multiple bullets each time you pull the trigger, until you release the trigger; the trigger does not reset.

With most semi-automatic guns, you have a light spring that resets the trigger once you release your finger. A forced reset trigger (FRT) forces the trigger to reset. The FRT pushes the trigger forward, even if you're trying to keep the trigger pulled back. If you keep tension on your finger, as soon as it's reset, you're pulling it again. So, legally, you are pulling the trigger multiple times, because the trigger is resetting each time a bullet is fired.

Based on the way that a machine gun is defined in the National Firearms Act of 1934, an FRT is not a machine gun. The ATF can't re-write the law to say what they want it to say; that requires an act on congress.

The is compounded by the fact that Rare Breed ran the idea by the ATF before they went into production, and they have/had a memorandum from the ATF saying that an FRT was not a machine gun, and not subject to the NFA. After they had approved it, and *after Rare Breed had produced and sold a few hundred/thousand, the ATF raided Rare Breed, and also showed up at customer's homes demanding items that the customers had legally purchased (e.g., unreasonable search and seizure, a 4A violation).

Machine guns have been illegal in the United States since 1986, a notion that even gun rights groups have come to accept.

This is... Not true. The Firearm Owners Protection Act--among other things--made it illegal to transfer automatic firearms manufactured after '86 (i.e., "post ban") to non-police/military people. Machine guns produced prior to '86 that were already in the hands of non-police/military people can still legally be own and bought/sold. A pre-ban select-fire AR-15 will run about $30k+ these days.

Secondly, there are a number of groups and people still actively fighting to overturn the NFA as being a violation of 1A. There was a case out of the 5th circuit (?) not that long ago that points out the circular logic of the gov't in re: machine guns. E.g., per Heller, guns in common use can't be banned, and machine guns aren't in common use, so they can be banned. But they aren't in common use because they were largely banned by the gov't. The gov't created the condition of them not being in common use by banning them, and then used the lack of common use--due to the ban--as justification for the legality of the ban.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee -1 points 15 hours ago

Yes. Trump is not actually friendly to gun rights.

If he was, he'd be pushing to get the Hearing Protection Act (HR 404) and the Stop Harassing Owners of Rifles Today (HR 2395) out of committee and to the floor for a vote.

Biden wasn't friendly to gun rights either. I don't think most politicians are friendly to gun rights, since if they actually managed to expand them to what they should be, they wouldn't have any major issue remaining to campaign on.