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[โ€“] Buffalox@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

UK, Italy and France above Finland and Norway ๐Ÿ˜‹
In my experience Scandinavian production quality is higher quality than Germany on average, and Japan is on par.

Anyways, why this is encouraging IDK. Germany being #1 is hardly a surprise, they are probably the most known country for it.
USA is a mixed bag IMO, They generally make good tools, for instance DeWalt is American. But their cars are not so good, but Italy and France are worse. French cars have just about the worst reputation here.

[โ€“] seejur@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don't think Italy is up there for the engineering side of things

[โ€“] cabbage@piefed.social 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

I go Italian with a lot of kitchen appliances. My Italian stainless steel frying pan is amazing. Pasta machine obviously. They also make some great shoes and leather products.

I would never trust them with anything of equal or greater complexity to a bicycle.

[โ€“] skarn@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Ask someone who's into race biking what they think of Italian bikes.

To be clear I'm a mountain biker, and Italians have been out of that game for a long time. But it's my understanding that e.g. Bianchi and Campagnolo are very well respected.

[โ€“] cabbage@piefed.social 3 points 5 days ago

Yeah, this is fair. It could be that bikes are the upper limit to complexity. :)

Some friends of mine have experiences with very bad Italian bikes, but I think it's a matter of getting what you pay for. My own bad experiences has mostly been with French bikes...

Don't forget Pinarello! Gorgeous and, last I checked, very well regarded. Just make sure your wallet is prepared


you can definitely drop $15k on a well-spec'd Pinarello Dogma.

[โ€“] seejur@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Tbh coffee machines are up there as well. I think the weak side is when they need to implement software into things

[โ€“] cabbage@piefed.social 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

How could i forget my Moka! I mostly drink filter coffee though, where I sadly go American with a Chemex. :(

[โ€“] skarn@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 days ago

Most days you could say the same (though to a slightly lesser degree) about the Japanese.

Depending on the situation, I could consider that a feature. Considering we're all gathered to hate on American and chinese cloud-dependent crapware, there's something to be said for a decent product that's lagging behind on the high-tech side.