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LLMs are the big block V8 of search engines. They can do things very fast and consume tons of resources with subterranean efficiency. On top of that, they are privacy invasive, easy to use for manipulation and speed up the problem of less mature users being spoon fed. General purpose LLMs need to be outlawed immediately.
prohibition of anything is usually a bad idea
Right. How about csam, incest, cannibalism?
arguments like this are fucking stupid
Glad you agree. Non arguments are not a good idea.
No, your argument is stupid. OF COURSE those things are bad, its stupid to think that's what I implied.
You made a blanket statement and now you're angry because someone called you out on it. I get that. But i dont care. Please dont make blanket statements like that. Thats not a good way of debating stuff.
Of course outlawing of stuff is good in certain cases. And LLMs (and AI in general) as a public tool, exploited for profit, isn't good for humanity. It sucks energy like crazy, produces bullshit results, diseducates people and further benefits the capitalist class.
It's just not okay to have that. I would have gone with an argument that goes "but how about for personal use on your own computer?" Then I would say I can see that being okay, as long as it doesnt permanently increase everyones personal power usage because that is the same as if you had giant centralized AIs.
See? You can argue against my point without making self defeating statements.
I'm not angry at all. I just think your response is childish.
If that is all that you read in my answer I dont think we have anything to discuss anymore. Good luck.
Silly me, I forgot that running an LLM model was so similar to cannibalism.
Thanks for showing that you have no actual arguments.
LLMs are inherently bad for society in their current form. They have no real benefit. They push capital extraction and further increase the pressure on workers. They have insane energy requirements, insane hardware requirements. We are working on saving our planet and can absolutely not spare the massive amounts of energy required for this shit.
You did it first by jumping to "think of the children!" And analogizing running a program to cannibalism.
No need to ban them, then. Nobody will use them if this is true.
I run them locally on my computer, I know this is factually incorrect through direct experience.
Personal experience aside, if running an LLM query really required "insane" energy and hardware expenditures then why are companies like Google so eager to do it for free? These are public companies whose mandates are to generate a profit. Whatever they're getting out of running those LLM queries must be worth the cost of running them.
I see you've switched from "think of the children!" To "think of the environment!"
You just showed again that you have no actual arguments. You're using populism to "win" against factually correct and provable statements.
Using anecdotal evidence is a cheap trick and I believe you know it. It's not evidence at all. Numbers show that I'm right and you're wrong in this case.
"Think of the children" is used as a thought stopper by the political right to push their laws against humanity through. It isnt as smart as you think to wrongly ascribe it. I was right and showed it, you cant live with it. Thats okay.
So... got any?
I refer you back to your earlier comment analogizing LLMs to "csam".
You know I'm right and try to troll because you either dont like it or have an agenda. In both cases, thats a you problem.
So I take it you're not going to post those numbers, then.
Of course not. It's literally 5 words in a search engine.
...which you can't or won't do, apparently.
I can and did, many times. I also wrote articles about it. I just wont do you the favor to post any of them here because I dislike your attitude. You're not open to debate. You're trying to use rhetoric tricks to get around arguments.
Why comment in the first place if you're unwilling to back it up?
This is a public forum, you're not just answering me here.
For the reasons I mentioned in the comment before. It's easy to get that information and you're being disingenuous. Since you're still going on and going around the same argument free bullshit, I will now get rid of you. Good luck trolling someone else.
I haven't looked into many LLMs, but Microsoft will use your data for training the next version of Copilot. If you're a paying enterprise customer, then your data won't be used for that.
I suspect Google is also using every bit of data they can get their hands on. They have a habit of handing out shiny new stuff in exchange for your data. That's exactly why Android and Chrome don't require your money.