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[–] BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world -4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We're upvoting Hasan stuff? That's what we've come to? Bernie didn't even say anything wrong.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Step 1. Do not address the argument made by Hasan.

Step 2. Hurr Durrr Bernie good? Israel no genocide Netanyahu bad?! Israel has the right to defend itself!!

[–] BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world -4 points 4 days ago (1 children)
  1. I don't respect him, or his takes.

  2. Not a fan of Bernie, either. Definitely not a fan of Isreal. I'm trying to think of any political commentators or politicians or activists I don't dislike, and all I have are AOC and Gretchen Whitmer. And I think Greta.

Bonus opinion, I don't think there should be any violence from the protesters. Regardless of what the police or national guard do. Arrests, tear gas, rubber bullets, just take it. Don't throw things, don't loot, no masks, just take it. A protest is serious business, and I think you should be willing to accept any consequences from it if you really support the cause you're fighting for, whether it is imprisonment, injury, or death. If you aren't, don't protest. Everybody remembers MLK being arrested. Everybody remembers Tank Man from Tiananmen Square. Everybody remembers Rosa Parks. Hopefully, everybody remembers Rachel Corrie. Their acts were so impactful because of the stark contrast between their peaceful non-violence and the response to them.

If there is any property damage done, let it be by the cops. Deep down, I believe most people are materialistic and somewhat selfish. If their car gets torched during a protest by protesters, they're probably going to get pissed at the protesters! You want the support of the masses. Of businesses. If you're a shop owner, and your windows get blown out by teargas and rubber bullets, you're probably going to be way more pissed at the cops than the polite people just gathered in the street.

From the outside, to the centrists and the old people who still watch the news, a quiet (but huge) group of people getting pelted with tear gas and rubber bullets is so much more sympathetic than (hypothetically) some person in a mask chucking rocks at the police, waving a foreign flag. Again, sympathetic to people less left leaning. In my opinion.

Conversely, if someone thinks violence is the answer, I don't think that's a protest. That's a fight. A revolution. And that energy should be directed, planned. Not just riot style destruction.

That's all I've got, peace.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Cool story look up Black Panthers. MLKs peaceful marches accomplished nothing except building a movement. Change came from the riots.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 3 points 4 days ago

Those type of people live in fantasy world

[–] BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well, I'm afraid we'll just have to disagree and leave it at that. I guess I just wanted to express that I wasn't just coming from a place of "hurr durr Bernie good."

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

You should try listening to what Hasan has to say then.