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I really don't like the design of the progress pride flag, and I couldn't really put my finger on it until I saw this: https://nava.org/good-flag-bad-flag

For reference, here is the flag I'm referencing as "bad flag":

And here is the original:

So, the original has too many colors, but it's the colors of the rainbow. In order. It's recognizable from really far away, and it's dead simple to draw.

With the Intersex flag, that's 14 colors. There are three shades of "purple". The circle won't be visible from far away. The chevrons are too thin to be very recognizable from far away.

It's not like there aren't good pride flags. Like there are AMAZING ones:

Edit:

In case you don't know what these are: https://flagsforgood.com/collections/pride-flags

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[–] Yermaw@lemm.ee 74 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Thats way too busy. Should definitely just keep the rainbow flag. Not every little niche needs specific representation, just have the rainbow as a catchall for any kind of deviation from heterosex

Edit to add : if they want to use them to identify and specify within rallies or amongst themselves somehow then whatever, go for it, as long as we can accept the layman isnt gonna have a clue and cant really be expected to.

[–] Railison@aussie.zone 79 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I thought the rainbow was supposed to mean it encompassed everyone.

The colours on the flag apparently weren’t sufficiently inclusive so perhaps this should be the next flag:

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 day ago

But that doesn't include infrared or ultraviolet 🤣

[–] Draegur@lemmy.zip 42 points 1 day ago (3 children)

this fails to capture the grades of saturation.

Here is every color in the RGB (#000000-#FFFFFF) color space arranged sequentially on a Hilbert curve (but scaled down to 512x512)

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why are there jpg compression artifacts in your png?

[–] Draegur@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

Probably because it's been downscaled from its full resolution.

Also rotated for some reason from the original? Or perhaps just rendered from the same mathematical sequence with some parameters swapped. Here's an uncompressed one:

https://allrgb.com/hilbert

[–] Acamon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

This gets my vote

[–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Draegur@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

there are a lot of pieces that use one pixel per color too! you might really dig what people can do with it: it's honestly astonishing the kinds of arrangements they can make just by mixing the colors.

https://allrgb.com/

[–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 3 points 16 hours ago
[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I would absolutely and unironically fly this flag, although to be even more inclusive it also needs an alpha layer. Perhaps it should be a cube? Actually even that might not be inclusive enough, we need more dimensions. BRB I need to figure out how to attach a tesseract to my flagpole, I guess I'll need some kind of gordian knot?

[–] nomecks@lemmy.wtf 4 points 1 day ago

You need a hyperpole

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

But if you include alphas , you need to be inclusive of betas and sigmas, and other Greek letters still undefined

[–] DokPsy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I was thinking more adding from outside the visible spectrum. So a flag with the entire electromagnetic spectrum from ~10^-20 m to ~10^17 m

[–] Asetru@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago

Black and white are pretty overrepresented there though. Turning this into a sphere might help?

[–] Zier@fedia.io 3 points 1 day ago

I call Lime Green as my personal inclusion color!!!!

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 1 day ago

I literally lol'd!

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wasn't the entire idea of the rainbow flag to just say "this includes everyone", to be inclusive?

Then people started "well red is this, yellow is that, green is that ...." Making the entire thing as exclusive as can be, now requiring a color and or symbol for each and every tiny different identity they were trying to be

[–] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Then people started "well red is this, yellow is that, green is that ...."

But the stripes always meant something:

Hot pink = Sex

Red = Life

Orange = Healing

Yellow = Sunlight

Green = Nature

Turquoise = Magic/Art

Indigo = Serenity

Violet = Spirit

Flags being symbolic was never the issue. The progress flag was made in lieu of black, trans, and intersex queer USAmericans being excluded from big, corporate backed, pride events, which brought to the fore, a slew of intra-queer tensions.

By making this new flag, it was a way of symbolically coming together. And it's stuck around because of, well... Everything going on lately.

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 8 points 1 day ago

Imo, the rainbow flag is perfectly inclusive. By focusing on one minority, you make it less diverse and less inclusive.

Rainbow flag is best

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They all sprung up in that period where flags were trendy. Every little camp had to have one to feel like a singled-out tribe—and, no, this isn't just kink flags. This meant many would be flag designers overnight.

The result is there's some really fugly designs out there in the wild now and the idiots can't go back. But most people are over flag phase now, so you're unlikely to ever see this and most others out in the wild.

Nothing fails more at its job than a pride flag that people have no idea what is. It's almost irony.

And is this one ugly? Oh, yes. Enough to turn a person straight.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The solution is inheritance. If you want a more specific flag, inherit from the rainbow, but add an insignia. Now you have a unifying flag that is more meaningful. Also you can skip the complexity of trying to make everyone stand out because the rainbow is all inclusive.

For example, I also like the pink triangle pirate flag. If you want a gay flag, take the rainbow and add that pirate insignia. Think like the US flag which is also a bunch of stripes but with some star insignia. Now you have one clear insignia on a field of inclusiveness

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

You're right. Could literally design anything and people that know nothing about any of it could figure it out quickly. But instead, a salad of sex preferences, gender, race, kink, specific US cities, all appearing to be under the Intersex insignia.

It's always seemed so bad to me that it's more likely to be done by an anti-woke troll or someone like Michael Scott discovering Pride Month.

It's just offensive. Obviously to the eyes, but also to any group being shoved together within its borders.

[–] november@lemmy.vg 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

deviation from heterosex

Totally normal words to say. BTW trans and intersex people can still be straight.

[–] Yermaw@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Better get it on the flag then ig

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

Here's the thing though, I know this is an ally flag, but it's like they never considered symbols:

Ignore the really bad black and white background for a second.

Imagine the left side of the shape is an homage to the original pride flag and the right side is WHATEVER YOU WANT TO PUT IN IT. Uniform clean design with representation. Easy to draw for the layman (fill both sides in with rainbow if you want), and easy to add specific representation