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Microsoft is moving antivirus providers out of the Windows kernel (www.theverge.com)
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[–] shininghero@pawb.social 240 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Cool. Do anticheat vendors next.

[–] Toes@ani.social 91 points 2 days ago

Do them now! Haha

[–] doc@fedia.io 58 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Another big area of Windows that uses kernel-level drivers is anti-cheating engines for games. Microsoft has been speaking with game developers about how to reduce the amount of kernel usage, but it’s a more complicated use case as cheaters often have to purposefully tamper with their machine to disable protections and get cheating engines running.

“A lot of [game developers] would love to not have to maintain kernel stuff, and they are very interested in how they do that,” Weston says. “We’ve been talking about the requirements there, and I think we’ll have more to say on that in the near future.” Riot Games told me last year that it’s willing to follow potential Windows security changes and “recede from the kernel space.”

[–] GreatRam@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Vanguard is the only thing holding me to windows. Microsoft and Riot pls

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I fucking called this after the Crowd Strike catastrophe.

MSFT would start massively reworking their entire concept of who actually gets kernel access, because uh, causing a Y2K event is uh, really bad, actually.... and yep, that probably means the kernel level AC paradigm is no longer workable.

Fucking obviously duh, wow, turns out just letting any old 'vetted' vendor submit goddamned kernel level code updates without being strenuously verified each time is a bad fucking idea, wow, who could have guessed??!?

[–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Just have copilot check the code 🙃

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Just check? Write the code, even 😁

[–] kubica@fedia.io 41 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"A lot of [game developers] would love to not have to maintain kernel stuff, and they are very interested in how they do that,"

I don't know if I'm reading it in the way it was intended, but I'm laughing my ass off.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago

"you could, like, fuck off with that shit"

"what does that mean" 🤔 🤔

[–] Pirate@feddit.org 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I don't know if this is Windows trying to stop hemorrhaging users to Linux, but if they go ahead with this it will likely hilariously backfire and make multiplayer games become even more compatible with Linux.

Steam is already rubbing their hands grubbingly.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 57 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's MS trying to not have another meltdown like CrowdStrike. They tried to do it with Vista, and they pussied out when all the same fucks cried out 'but we can't fuck with the OS like a bent-over ho', and so MS let it slide in the 'eventually' to-do bin until it was demonstratably their fault for not clamping down on kernel access.

Also lol "willing to follow", as I understand it MS isn't giving them an option or opinion this time around. Gtfo of the kernel or your shit will stop working. I think the deadline is 2026, but it's been a while since this was all announced.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Didn’t think I’d be excited about something Microsoft is doing, but this sounds great!

[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

oh don’t worry, the future will be worse. My prediction: full hardware attestation DRM linked to your personal information.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago

Ah yes, like Apple does. This makes sense.