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Executive orders are not laws. As you've seen, his bullshit orders keep getting shot down in court. You can't just DECLARE new laws and procedures, that's not how it works.
This ruling doesn't change the existing laws at all, but they're trying to change the procedures to the laws. This ruling doesn't do that, but it makes it harder for courts to reject arguments that align with that bullshit, that's it.
Think you’re downplaying it a bit. They’ve been getting blocked due to injunctions. 23 so far. Now they’re not possible anymore. States will selectively enforce the constitution.
It essentially means states have to independently fight and allocate resources. It's not the end of the road. Red state residents may be screwed but it depends on how cowardly their red governors are. Red states can't hide behind national injunctions anymore. The state residents will be forced to harangue their state govt into fighting something in court. It may hurt the republicans in the end as they're forcing red state governors to either: look weak to their own people or insult trump by having state AGs fight unconstitutional laws.
Sir 48% of voters approve of trumps actions so far. Those red state AGs will be championed for selectively applying the constitution as Trump sees fit. I’d expect prayer in schools and banning of protest will be the first to go.
That's not what the ruling said, first of all. The ruling said that the 28 states who DID NOT sue won't be included in the injunctions that are being put in place, meaning these asshats took issue with the lower court issuing a nationwide injunction. Any individuals or groups that sue will still be included in the injunction set to go into effect in 30 days.
Stupid, fuck yes. Overstepping, yup. It is not a ban on lower courts issuing injunctions full stop as you've just said.
Yeah technically but still makes it a lot harder, more expensive, and longer; especially for the unlucky ones in red states who now have unequal access to justice. Giving them plenty of time to do whatever the f they want. Already bumrushing people at breakneck speed on the streets and shipping them off to random countries what do you reckon they’ll manage in their remaining 3.5+ years.
The ruling only applies to the nationwide injunction that was issued on this order. As I said in my other comment, any individuals can sign onto this simply by asking. There will be a massive flood of options to do this showing up in Monday, I guarantee, so I'm not worried about that.
It wasn't a ruling on nationwide injunctions in general, it wasn't a legal ruling saying that federal judges cannot do this in the future, and it wasn't an exclusion of anybody from signing on to this.
As far as the next few years...honestly, we just need to make it to midterms. That's what I'm focused on and worried about. The GOP is already eating themselves alive and fracturing in a million pieces just like his first term, and at record speed. Yeah, shit feels kind of bleak, but people need to think more strategically and manage out how we GET to the midterms without shit getting worse or escalating. That's the important bit.
Edit: here's a very smart and measured legal analyst that spells it out succinctly: https://www.rawstory.com/msnbc-2672488166/
Those articles say it does apply to nationwide injunctions in general so Wdym?
You’re assuming the midterms will save you but that assumes he won the election fairly. Which he didn’t based on the suppression tactics he down alone; before you get to the dodgy voting patterns and gerrymandering.
It's about this specific junction. Not all.
Supreme Court opinions are only scoped to the argument brought to the court. This one was about many states using over the Birthright Citizenship.
They did not make any sort of ruling about ALL federal court injunctions. That would cripple their own court and the federal court system with immediate filings.
It affects all nationwide injunctions not just this one.
This ruling changes when and how lower courts can issue nationwide injunctions for any future case.
Courts can still block federal policies - but now they must limit injunctions to the actual plaintiffs or a certified class.
Again, and as I said before, it does not do that, because that wasn't the case being argued. It affects this one scope.
https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/06/supreme-court-sides-with-trump-administration-on-nationwide-injunctions-in-birthright-citizenship-case/
You can go and find the ruling text and the dissent text. The reason why the news outlets are reporting other headlines is because this weakens the ability of lower courts to do nationwide injunctions without a specific scope. There is no specific text in the ruling that "bans" nationwide injunctions by lower courts.
By the way, the scope of this is important, but they of course had no ruling on the 14th amendment, because they fucking can't. It's the constitution.
Literally anyone can walk into court and say "Unconstitutional" and have this entire order upended, because the Supreme Court has to take other rulings into account.
Let me go one step further by saying this was on the Shadow Docket, and these are temporary stays of other rulings. This is not codified as law, or anything of the sort. Whatever damage they've done here can easily be reversed without the court's involvement.
The Court’s opinion specifically addressed whether multiple states could get broad nationwide relief without showing concrete harm for all non-plaintiffs.
It sets a binding precedent that narrows when lower courts can issue nationwide injunctions.
That means it does have general implications for all future injunctions
Supreme Court opinions - even on the Shadow Docket - do have precedential effect, so lower courts will treat this as binding guidance on how to craft injunctions going forward.
Jackson’s dissident seems pretty clear?
JUSTICE JACKSON, dissenting. I agree with every word of JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR’s dissent. I write separately to emphasize a key conceptual point: The Court’s decision to permit the Executive to violate the Constitution with respect to anyone who has not yet sued is an existential threat to the rule of law.
It is important to recognize that the Executive’s bid to vanquish so-called “universal injunctions” is, at bottom, a request for this Court’s permission to engage in unlawful behavior. When the Government says “do not allow the lower courts to enjoin executive action universally as a remedy for unconstitutional conduct,” what it is actually saying is that the Executive wants to continue doing something that a court has determined violates the Constitution—please allow this. That is some solicitation. With its ruling today, the majority largely grants the Government’s wish. But, in my view, if this country is going to persist as a Nation of laws and not men, the Judiciary has no choice but to deny it.
Stated simply, what it means to have a system of government that is bounded by law is that everyone is constrained by the law, no exceptions. And for that to actually happen, courts must have the power to order everyone (including the Executive) to follow the law—full stop. To conclude otherwise is to endorse the creation of a zone of lawlessness within which the Executive has the prerogative to take or leave the law as it wishes, and where individuals who would otherwise be entitled to the law’s protection become subject to the Executive’s whims instead.
The majority cannot deny that our Constitution was designed to split the powers of a monarch between the governing branches to protect the People. Nor is it debatable that the role of the Judiciary in our constitutional scheme is to ensure fidelity to law. But these core values are strangely absent from today’s decision. Focusing on inapt comparisons to impotent English tribunals, the majority ignores the Judiciary’s foundational duty to uphold the Constitution and laws of the United States. The majority’s ruling thus not only diverges from first principles, it is also profoundly dangerous, since it gives the Executive the go-ahead to sometimes wield the kind of unchecked, arbitrary power the Founders crafted our Constitution to eradicate. The very institution our founding charter charges with the duty to ensure universal adherence to the law now requires judges to shrug and turn their backs to intermittent lawlessness. With deep disillusionment, I dissent.
Don't post dumbass AI takes for duck's sake. This is insane.
? I didn’t. I repeated the same thing I’ve been saying for the past 5 comments and the dissenting opinion from Jackson. Even the site you linked me says it applies as I’ve stated so wtf are you talking about? Are you a bad AI?
Even if the courts eventually shoot down his bullshit orders eventually, they're not allowed to stop him from enforcing them until the case is over, except against the specific plaintiffs in their court.
So assuming that his birthright citizenship order is defeated, as soon as the SCOTUS 30-day pause is up, he can start stripping people of citizenship and deporting them right away. If that order is overturned? Then he'll have to deal with whatever the court says he needs to do, but he'll still have destroyed a bunch of people's lives in the process
They don't need to stop them, because they are unconstituit. You can't make up some bullshit that is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and win in court. Any half-assed lawyer can just file the paperwork to get this shit shut down, but that's really the cruz here in that they are expecting people to not have the access to legal services to make it happen in the event they are challenged.
There will be more specific cases about this specific thing immediately being heard by the lower courts, they'll rule against Trump, and this will end up in the Supreme Court again in the next session, no doubt on that.
This is a stalling tactic by Trump's psychos to try and make it look they are able to bend the Constitution to their service, which will not happen because...it's unconstitutional.
Sadly, this is not exactly accurate. See:
These are awful things, but again, you yourself mention "good faith interpretation". This is a procedural problem with lawmaking in general that if you don't specifically have an action codified in law that says "you cannot do this", people will find ways to work around it. This is the case with both of the things you've mentioned, unfortunately.
Now, if the existing laws specifically had mentioned these things are illegal AND were in the constitution, and then somebody tried to enact them, thats a different story.
Instead these things exist because of bad faith interpretation of laws, and need to to be routed out by very specific wording or rulings.
This is exactly how Biden managed to forgive millions of people's student loan debts, before Republicans had the chance to stop him in court.
What? No.
It literally is. He acted through executive orders alone, and .managed to wipe out billions in debt, in several waves. Unfortunately though, those orders were eventually blocked by Republicans, who challenged them in court...but not before millions of Americans had their debts erased.
I thought you were saying Biden was ignoring injunctions to do it.
But now that he has put an order out ending Birthright Citizenship and the SCOTUS ruled that nationwide injunctions aren't applicable, can't there now be a patchwork of enforcement where red regions will not honor birthright citizenship while blue regions do?
It seems like in the short term, there is going to be a lot of carnage and damage because this unconstitutional executive order will be followed by his loyalists.
He can put out an order requiring the sky to be green. It's just words, that's the point. The only thing he can affect with an EO are things where his sycophants can enable it to the extent they are involved in the executive branch. NOT the Judicial Branch. The judges who order and enforce the laws can't just ignore the constitution. Birthright Citizenship is in the constitution.
What the SCOTUS ruling here adds is some dumbshit to make the process more stupid than it needs to be for people without legal status it seems, but it is not a change to the law, or enforcement. That needs to be understood.
All it's going to take is a specifically angled case to ask the question "Is birthright Citizenship in the constitution? Oh, it is? Well then it's constitutional"
Another court case that isn't about the procedural nature of obtaining said documentation or status will shut this shit down in a heartbeat, but as others have noted, the legal process of getting it there takes longer than most would like.
Again, I'm really sorry to burst you bubble but do think that understanding the reality of our situation and tearing down the illusions is important.
You misunderstand this. The Executive is bound to ensure that laws are enforced, but not tasked or powered to do so directly. Congress controls the purse and lawmaking, and the constitution is very clear that President must ENSURE what Congress passes is enforced. That's extremely clear in Article ii Section iii, and is referred to as the "Take Care Clause".
Sure, this is not untrue, but as we've seen over and over again, if ruling against the constitution, you always create a dead end. So they've just passed something stupid that is technically an interpretation in its most idiotically simple way, but they've then created a disaster on the other side of the legal process. It can't work both ways. Unless they gain control over every judge and jurisdiction to exactly as Trump says, they won't have the ability to control jack shit in this sense. Even after today's ruling, the experts are already saying they've just opened the door to completely drown the courts and SCOTUS with challenges and really fuck over Trump because they've closed one door foolishly, and opened another to attack this bullshit from.