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[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The problem there is the administration of the tests, not the tests themselves.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And that is a non-solvable problem.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We just need to make sure the voting machines are not racist. Solvable, if we're starting from scratch.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The phrase "voting machine" is also a problem.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Only when accompanied by "paperless" or "closed source"

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Nope. It'll never work. Because when I walk into the voting booth, how do I KNOW FOR A VERIFIABLE FACT that this machine here in the booth with me is running the published software?

Computerized voting will always be a mistake.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The machine produces a physical paper record you can read, it doesn't matter what software it's running if you can verify your vote is accurate.

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can you also verify that the vote it presents to be counted? Can you verify the counting? For every way to verify computerized voting, there are a dozen ways to compromise it.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They do hand-counts when there's an irregularity.

Hand count consists of 1 delegate from each party tallying every single ballet. If they disagree on a ballet (this is less common if a computer prints the ballet), an official agreed on by both parties determines what the voter intended.

The voting system is quite good by international standards, the fix in American "democracy" comes in way before all of this.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago

Computerized voting will always be a mistake.

disagrees in brazilian voting machine noises

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

you think the current racist rich people wouldn't be racist and rich if we introduced an exam to the voting process?

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I think the qualifying questions could be attached to the ballot and submitted anonymously.

Race should not be discernable ... in theory.

[–] _thisdot@infosec.pub 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Everyone affected by the policy decisions of the land should get to vote. No matter their race, literacy or political belief

[–] lowside@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes they should. But at the same time completely ignorant people should not. This is too big of a decision to leave up to disinterested and ill informed voters. I don't care if you are left or right. blue or red.

If you don't know the basics of how our government works you do not deserve to have a say. If you do not know the basics of what is happening in the country, then you do not deserve to vote.

ANYONE voting should be informed.

How we test for this? i have no idea. There can not be a simple education requirement or literacy test. There are plenty of uneducated people that are very up to date and informed on current politics. There are plenty of very educated people that don't care about what's going on and just vote by party.

But just because you have the right to an opinion does not mean your ignorant opinion is worth anything.

[–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Yes they should. But at the same time completely ignorant people should not.

Jesus. You're literally arguing for removing franchise from the majority of citizens. If they primarily reside in an area and will be affected by the policies, they should be able to vote on them, whether or not they're ignorant.

The problem is that you can very, very quickly arrive at the conclusion that if someone just had enough knowledge, they'd vote like me, and strip the vote from everyone that doesn't agree with you. Except that people can, and do, have different beliefs, even with the same knowledge.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I certainly trust The Party That's In Charge At Any Given Time to subjectively come up with the criteria that objectively determines a voter's ignorance level

A check to make sure they understand exactly what they are voting for seems sensible.

[–] Senal@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago

Aside from the existing deficit due to hundreds of years of systemic discrimination you mean?

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The tests never explicitly directly measured race nor required the voters name. They can design the tests to discriminate all sorts of ways based on the content.

This is true. Whoever decides the questions and determines the correct answer holds a lot of power.