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[–] friendlymessage@feddit.org -1 points 2 months ago (12 children)

OP might like to shit talk the US and try to find topics specifically to do so. But they are not wrong here.

You ought to understand liberal democracies don't just routinely drug test their population without consent or at least clear indication of a crime and following a court order. There was a time where the US at least aspired to be in the liberal democracies club. That you guys defend this practice even on a left-leaning platform such as lemmy is seriously frightening.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (11 children)

Did you even read the article? She wasn’t tested without her consent. She just didn’t think the test would come back positive for opiates. The U.S. is no different from other countries: we don’t drug test people without their consent.

Jesus Christ, the caliber of commenter on this platform is seriously questionable.

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (6 children)

The issue here is one of medical ethics.

It's important for the doctors to know if the baby is going to suffer and possibly die from withdrawals after being born. The drug tests are important for knowing that.

However sharing that information with anyone else violates the trust with healthcare providers which results in significantly poorer health outcomes for everyone and pours gasoline on anti-intelluctual movements like antivax etc.

[–] friendlymessage@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But why don't they just ask the mother whether she took any medication or drugs she shouldn't have? Given what happened in the article, the information provided by the mother would probably be more accurate anyway. Routinely not believing women is on brand, though. Again, we're talking about women with absolutely no history of drug abuse. I'd seriously like to know how many women with no prior history of drug abuse start doing drugs just as they are getting pregnant to warrant routine testing.

Another problem with these kinds of tests is that they are not accurate enough. If you test urine samples routinely, the majority of your tests will be false positives. (Example: you test all pregnant women, 1% take drugs, the test is accurate 98% of the time. Congratulations, 2/3 of your tests are false positives.) That's why you only do those tests if you have a suspicion based on other data and not just test everyone.

[–] SinAdjetivos@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

why don't they just ask the mother whether she took any medication or drugs she shouldn't have?

Because when you live in a police state where medical information is used to prosecute people then people have a strong incentive to lie which. Gets. People. Killed.

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