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Under this scenario Russia would have military and economic control of occupied Ukraine under its own governing body, imitating Israel’s de facto rule of Palestinian territory seized from Jordan in 1967.

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Witkoff, who is also tasked by Trump with bringing peace to the Middle East, is understood to support the idea, which the Americans believe circumvents barriers in the Ukrainian constitution to ceding territory without holding an “all-Ukraine” referendum.

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[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

They really think Ukrainians are that stupid, don't they.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

It isn't a question of stupidity. It's a question of power.

Without Western arms and armor to hold territory, both Israel and Russia can just seize the land and kill anyone who objects.

Ukrainians can know it's bullshit in the same way the Palestinians (or Armenians or Tutsis or Rohingra Muslims) can know they are getting a raw deal. But what are they going to do about it, except eat lead?

[–] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Ukrainians are exceptionally innovative on the battlefield. The longer this drags on, the more likely Russia will lose. Putin needs a win for internal optics just as much as Ukraine needs arms and fighters.

[–] npdean@lemmy.today 0 points 2 weeks ago

War is not about innovation, it is about money.

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