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Trump reportedly to back ceding of Ukrainian territory to Russia as part of peace deal
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 17 Aug 2025
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So I think I missed something? Why is Trump thinking he has a say in this?
One angle of analysis is, that this war is a proxy war between the world‘s hegemon and a state that does not want to be subjugated to their rule, but rather insists on their own sovereignty.
The power balance in the world tipped in the (now) hegemons favor with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Since then the US further increased the pressure on the remnants of the old world power, Russia, through their military alliances they have with other, subjugated, western states.
The US works to stay the only power in the whole world, which is right now a so-called unipolar world, but lots of other countries aim for a multipolar world, because they don‘t want to suffer under the heavy boot of the US. Some might even strive to do things differently, but if they try, the bully of the world comes knocking.
~~The~~ Ukraine, which also wants sovereignty, only has a marginal voice in all of this.
That doesn't explain why Russia is invading an adjacent sovereign state. Ukraine "wants sovereignty" because it already has it and doesn't want it taken away.
It‘s nice that you want that kind of explanation, but that‘s not what I offered. You can argue strawmen all day, but your question wasn‘t asked.
What I’m saying is, that what Ukraine wants is just wholly irrelevant, as two nuclear powers have to figure out some stuff between themselves.
"Has" is a bit strong at the start of the war (2014). The revolution of dignity built actual sovereignty by slowly ousting the puppeteers. At the start of the major conflict (2022), the Ukrainian identity was only a fraction of how strong it is now.
In the end, there is perhaps some conspirational truth to what he said. Heavy hints that Russia invaded exactly after Maidan (2014), "separatists super unhappy with less ties with Russia and revolted too", in the same week, is the weakest shit I have ever seen. Happy for 25 years, suddenly revolted. And Russia brought a whole occupational army to help the poor peacefully seceding citizens. Doesnt take a genius to see it's just an already planned out show of force, "You don't suckle on great big Russia's teet, so we can slowly eat you? Then I will take your lands"
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What’s up, smelling some conspiracy? OMG, you might just be on to something!
Or, go figure, my native language could just use definitive articles for what is just „Ukraine“ in the English language and I just made a grammatical mistake, which has nothing to do with the content of what has been said. How about you engage with that instead.
"The Ukraine" specifically referred to the Ukraine region of the USSR. Since it gained independence its just been "Ukraine." Typically anyone calling it "The Ukraine" is either misinformed or some flavor of Russian nationalist.
And you forgot the part where russian imperialism is basically working as a recruitment drive for NATO. If you want to call Ukraine a proxy war, sure, but who the fuck started it?
Alright, there‘s no „questioning Ukraine‘s sovereignty“ by deadnaming it from my side. I already started leaving the „the“ out from other comments, so thanks for the English lesson, I appreciate it.
I forgot nothing, tho, I was rather describing a valid political analysis that offers an answer to OP‘s question, and the only one as it stands. It‘s a starting point, of course not the complete story.
There‘s also no gotcha to be had. Concluding with „Russia bad“, because they invaded Ukraine is, although true as a statement of fact, dishonest and overly simplistic. Downplaying or downright whitewashing the role of the USA is … lacking, at best.
What did they do specifically?
Here you go, fishing for trigger words. I‘m certain you know some of the accusations already, but for a myriad of reasons never seriously engaged with them. But you do seem to like making fun of the people bringing them up.
So, tell me, where are your doubts or holes in your own narrative and I might be willing to provide you with a vantage point from my perspective, so as a result we actually can have a sincere exchange.
Until now, tho, I haven‘t gotten the impression, that you are asking in good faith and I‘m unwilling to enter debate bro territory.
Anyway, I answered OPs (rhetorical) question with well enough key words for you to start your own little reading endeavor. You don‘t need to be scared to become a tankie for actually reading stuff that‘s not western mainstream, since that „angle“ is supported by actual American scholars and journalists, already (if that makes it more approachable for you).
No, I was actually asking because I didn't want to automatically assume you are a tankie, but seeing as this is a relatively fresh account that only cries about shitlibs on meanwhileongrad, I think that speaks for itself.
The tankie perspective on Ukraine would require me to be a massive western chauvinist. Basically I'd have to believe that the CIA psyop'd the cast majority of Ukraine into wanting closer economic ties with the EU, that yanukovych is a NATO puppet who got elected promising closer EU ties, then did a full 180 on that position specifically to spark a revolution, then also supported the revolution and performed false flag killings of protesters. And then they baited putin into sending little green men across the border, sustaining low level conflict for almost 10 years, then in a master stroke suckered him into an unprepared full scale invasion into a brick wall, wasting tens of thousands of Soviet vehicles and over a million killed and wounded and revealing Russia as a paper tiger.
If you think none of that was organic and the US and NATO orchestrated the downfall of Russia's military, you have much more faith in their power than me.