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Eggs ain't chickens...
Besides, it's not on Newsom to do that, there's nothing he's actually doing.
It's handled by lower level state politicians deciding on if Cali voters will have a chance to vote on if it should happen.
If Newsom was just a megaphone and was talking about the work those people were doing to make it happen, I wouldn't be so negative about him. But he's textbook CEO claiming they personally built a product. He's Elon Musk before most people realized he's a piece of shit.
We have the best chance in 30 years for a progressive to win the Dem primary and then the general. We can't waste it just because Newsom hired some teenager for meme research.
IMO the best chance was in 2016 and when it failed the fallout was catastrophic. We can encourage people vote for our preferred candidate in the primary without insulting the opponent and creating tribalistic divides in the progressive party.
Nah, 2008 we had no chance. But when Obama won he ignored the DNC leaving neoliberals in charge.
So they focused on changing the "weak points" that allowed Obama to pull an upset. In 2016 Hillary was literally funding the DNC, and her campaign had final say on every action the DNC took and everything they said.
That wasn't even an agreement most members of the DNC were aware of, we only know because Donna Brazile blew the whistle as interim chair.
2016 I thought Bernie had a shot, but he never did. They very likely would have just went against the primary if he managed to win. That's how bad shit really was.
If anything I undersold how long it's been. Even back with Jimmy Carter the DNC faced a revolt because he was a hard right pivot compared to FDR and not really what Dem voters want.
The Overton window has just moved so far right, we remember him as the last good one and not the first moderate one. So I wouldn't object to the argument that this is the best chance in 50 years.
It's truly historic, but we had to go thru some shit to get here. And someone like Newsom would make it all worth nothing.
Jimmy Carter was an okay president. Despite his "decrease government spending" stance he was still able to establish the US Department of Education, continued the promotion of peace and aid to impoverished and war-torn regions (a stark reversal of the more aggressive policies of JFK's foreign policy failures, as well as policies of Ford and Nixon). Due to economic insecurity of the time he lost in a landslide to Reagan who went on to cut taxes for the rich, very unfortunate.
Carter was "ok" but the party pushing him almost caused the DNC to split, and was the begining of a move to the right that lasted generations...
You're comparing Carter to everyone who came after and said he's progressive.
While ignoring the Dem before him is widely recognized as the peak of modern liberalism, the thing before neoliberalism...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson
I'm not saying Carter was a useless piece of shit, I'm saying he's the one that started walking to the right, and the people after him went past the middle.
A bit disingenuous to say Carter was the outlier and saying Lindon B. Johnson was somehow the baseline.
Are you calling JFK rightwing?
Truman?
Because go back any further and you hit FDR...
Compare Carter to the Dems before him, and he's way more conservative. Compare him to Dems after, and he's more liberal.
He was the tipping point, and not in a good way
JFK was very left wing except for all of the times he bombed people for little to no reason at all.
Thats why I called it his foreign policy failures. He had a couple of successes, too, but Jimmy Carter had a much better track record with peace and making allies.