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Dunno what you're on about 'cause Zelenskyy ain't the bad guy here.
Dragging your whole country into war because you desperately want to join NATO — against the will of your citizens — isn‘t bad guy behavior?
Being invaded is an odd way to intentionally enter a war.
It didn’t start with the Russian invasion though.
Trying to genocide an ethnicity in a territory that borders with others of the same ethnicity is not at all an odd way to enter a war. Especially when your western sponsors have been talking EVERYWHERE about how they're getting you combat ready to eventually use you as an attack dog against the Russians.
For someone who should be resistant to USA propaganda, you seem very eager to consume Russian's.
Was Western media also Russian propaganda before February, 2022?
Previously:
Gish gallop is a technique famously being used by Trump. Do better.
I'm not sure what's the point you're trying to make here. USA bad? Russia good and did nothing wrong? There's no Russian propaganda before and after 2022? Please clarify.
Nobody's galloping babe you're just slow
Right, Trump famously researches and curates twenty years of Western journalism.
That before February 2022, Western media wasn’t shy about Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem or the ~14,000 people killed in eastern and southern Ukraine between 2014 and 2021 by the Ukrainian military and the US & Ukrainian government-backed fascist Banderite paramilitary. That didn’t become “Russian propaganda” until 2022. But the pre-2022 Western media articles are still online.
I see. The sources you're quoting (at least some, but again - gish gallop) do paint this picture a little bit differently.
That's literally human shield strategy done by Donetsk insurgents.
Russian propaganda parts is to omit that information to put them in pity position instead conflicting position.
Another example, the Hill:
I think you might be misunderstanding something and imagining me saying there is not US propaganda or Ukrainian propaganda, for example whitewashing Azov?
You claim to know what a Gish gallop is but have no idea what cherry picking is.
The articles are western agitprop, of course they're gonna have unsourced and editorialized claims of how monstrous the Russians are anyway, how noble the Ukrainian puppet government is despite these bad apples. That is the entire point of the article.
The thing is, you seem to be holding on for dear life to those paragraphs while simultaneously refusing to acknowledge the claims which have actual evidence attached to them, which are all the uncomfortable bits.
Edit: carnt rite without my cofe
It's very nice that you learned a debating term but it would be cooler if you actually knew what it means before adding it to the thought terminating cliche toolbox.
All of these have sources. All of these are showing that there is not just evidence, but overwhelming evidence for Ukrainian aggression and US involvement in using them like they used South Vietnam and Iraq beforehand. Maybe read some instead of looking for what sort of fallacy you can miscategorize it as so you don't have to learn anything.
If you want Trump to lose then the US needs to lose. The US is a Trump-producing system. This particular Trump is the system perfecting and optimizing itself, DJT is not an anomaly but the intended outcome.
Propaganda means it's not true, amirte?
Propaganda means if the truth comes from the enemies of the state it must mean it's now a lie.
This is not at all unreasonable 😤
"I bet you were going to hit me anyway, so I pulled a gun out. Why are you shooting I'm obviously the good guy here"
This might make you want to reconsider: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/talks-could-have-ended-war-ukraine
Nah, the only thing that could’ve ending things is the pos Russian cannon fodder turning around and leaving.
Idk chief I see at least one other way this is ending
You're extremely wrong
Time to purge the ZZ trolls from the fediverse. Go back to your corporate safe space, Meta.
Marxist Leninists literally started this platform you dingus
So the opposite of Putin and Russia today?
Lol go back to reddit clown