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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So if you configure your admin account to have an admin:admin credential

You said "If you don’t know how to secure access points or harden configurations", not "if you're an absolute moron".

With laws like the Patriot and Cloud Act I hope no one actually takes privacy pledges of US companies serious.

Do you also not believe in the privacy pledges of Signal?

No, it’s just meant to highlight the absurdity of what some people think is necessary to protect a website

It's not "necessary". It's convenient, tried and tested, and accessible.

[–] daniel@federation.network 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

@Alaknar@sopuli.xyz Using Signal is a choice. Luring me to a service from another country that maybe knowingly even uses their own certificates to decrypt my traffic through their reverse proxy is not.

You said “If you don’t know how to secure access points or harden configurations”, not “if you’re an absolute moron”.

So where does the moron end and the the magic begin? Comparing something to magic just leaves people with a wrong sense of security that don't know any better.

It’s not “necessary”. It’s convenient, tried and tested, and accessible.

You comparing Cloudflare to having a password on an account really sounded like basic stuff.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Luring me to a service from another country that maybe knowingly even uses their own certificates to decrypt my traffic through their reverse proxy is not.

I guess, yeah, they could, potentially, do that. Would be massively illegal if they did, and would immediately kill their business, but there technically is a non-zero chance that they might do it.

So where does the moron end and the the magic begin? Comparing something to magic just leaves people with a wrong sense of security that don’t know any better.

I'm not going to attempt to quantify the skill level at which Cloudflare becomes useful. If you feel like you don't need them, don't use them. If you know enough to not need them, you should also understand why many people do.

You comparing Cloudflare to having a password on an account really sounded like basic stuff.

It was not a 1:1 comparison, mate. I was comparing the concepts of using features that boost your security posture.

[–] daniel@federation.network 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

@Alaknar@sopuli.xyz

I guess, yeah, they could, potentially, do that. Would be massively illegal if they did, and would immediately kill their business, but there technically is a non-zero chance that they might do it.

I'm not talking about an "if", I'm talking about services that Cloudflare actively provides and that may not be transparent to the visitor.
https://infosec.exchange/@0xF21D/114178659343887260

If you feel like you don’t need them, don’t use them. If you know enough to not need them, you should also understand why many people do.

This shouldn't have to do anything with feelings. If you feel like you need them you probably shouldn't publicly host stuff on the internet in the first place. You either know you need things, because you did an risk assessment beforehand or you just wildly throw solutions at things that may not even help with the specific issue, while giving away a piece of the sovereignty of the free internet to third-party companies.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m talking about services that Cloudflare actively provides and that may not be transparent to the visitor

Have you actually read the thread you posted? Did you notice someone linking to the Cloudflare documentation? Did you see that this is all done based on data they gathered from a feature the customer needs to enable themselves?

WTF is going on here? There's a feature that says "we'll scan your creds if you let us an let you know if you're exposed", some people enabled it, and then other people went up in arms that Cloudflare scanned those creds?? What is this Mickey Mouse bullshit?

If you feel like you need them you probably shouldn’t publicly host stuff on the internet in the first place

"If you feel like you can't handle manual transmission, you shouldn't drive a car". And yet, automatic became a thing.

[–] daniel@federation.network 0 points 3 weeks ago

@Alaknar@sopuli.xyz Have you read that I talked about the visitor of a site from the beginning and the responsibility towards someones users?

Luring me to a service from another country that maybe knowingly even uses their own certificates to decrypt my traffic through their reverse proxy is not.

"maybe" = depending if the feature is enabled or not. "knowingly" = if the customer deliberately let's them decrypt my connections.
Connecting me to a service from a surveillance state is bad, enabling such a feature without my knowledge is even worse.

“If you feel like you can’t handle manual transmission, you shouldn’t drive a car”. And yet, automatic became a thing.

A better comparison would probably be driving on autopilot without a license and hoping that it never fails.