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[–] mean_bean279@lemmy.world 169 points 1 day ago (37 children)

It’s a beautiful thing to see my state leading the charge against MAGA. I’m sure a few other western states will join us when we inevitably break off.

Of note, I was just telling my wife while we were out for a drive last weekend how much I’ve seen our state flag appearing on peoples homes now. Before Trump people in California rarely if ever displayed the Cali flag, but now I see it everywhere, especially in neighborhoods that typically didn’t have them before.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 day ago (16 children)

Millions will die in a war before the U.S. let's California go anywhere. If California split from the U.S., the U.S. would start to default on all of the loans without forcing large amounts of the debt somehow onto California. Not to mention the number of military bases and equipment that exists there, the entire western seaboard would be considered a security threat.

[–] mean_bean279@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Maybe, but freedom is worth fighting for.

Also, remember that during the revolutionary war the French provided support. I’m sure there are lots of countries that, in a civil war, would join with California in providing defensive equipment and offensive weapons. We’re also 10% of the US population with a whole mountain range providing protection and desserts between us and the rest of the “mainland.” So logistically we’re covered very well if we really have to.

They can consider us whatever they want as long as we’re winners I don’t care.

[–] primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A staggering amount of the military tools the american empire uses are designed and many made in California and Washington. Boeing Lockheed Raytheon, some Grumman, etc.

The 'arsenal of democracy'? That's us. Less than we used to be–but fascists can't make shit.

Basically all the surveillance tools are made here. The assets are here. The dog shit states can't fight us in open geographically aligned war and they know it.

[–] mean_bean279@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think too, and it’s something I’ve seen with my conservative family, is that here on the west coast we took stock of what was happening in Ukraine. I think for a lot of us here we’re learning how drones as tools of war can help make a small army mighty. I get the feeling that the middle America would want to fight with the weapons of WWII (think artillery and tanks) while we could be utilizing drone and electronic warfare. Either way, I don’t want it to come to that. I’d prefer the MAGA base come back to reality and start realizing they’re the ones that kept going further right and not the “Dems” going further left. It’s crazy how much my family has shifted in ideology over the last decade meanwhile I haven’t changed position, but somehow I’ve become the leftist.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 4 points 22 hours ago

My mother and I both worked in aerospace in California for extended periods (though never at the same firms). She went from being a moderate Republican (when there was such a thing) to being a strong socialist. I'm a social democrat, but have moved farther to the left than I was in my 20s.

I've seen former aerospace colleagues abandon rightwing politics too: not enough of them, but more than I would have expected. And we're the kind of people who know military strategy and how to design weapons systems.

[–] primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

but somehow I've become the leftist

offers an entire handful of pills papers and candies

But real talk: yeah it would be great if they could be people again. I'm not sure most of them can. I'm not sure it's practical to save the ones we maybe can. I think death is genuinely the only out for them. I hate this. I hate what they've become, and more than that I hate what they did ti themselves to become it. I hate that there are things that look like people–even specific people we used to love–that just aren't anymore.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It feels like living through some real-life version of Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Pod people. Pod people everywhere...

As it turns out:

All the most famous 20th century SciFi was just allegories for things the authors couldn't talk about or think about directly because they were such huge parts of their lives.

Or just cool stories about robots and spaceships.

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