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[–] village604@adultswim.fan 38 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

All that really needs to happen is for the US to drop their support for Israel. I think if that happened, the rest of the western world would follow suit.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Sure.

The question is, what are the general public going to feel and demand when the countries who hate Israel attack it and start killing large numbers of civilians.

Because the last time that happened, it resulted in the current support for Israel.

It's like people forget history.

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not really. The NYT ran an interesting article a couple years ago on generational support for Israel. [This is from memory, so don't get down on me for history or generation errors.] The people who reached adulthood in the 1940s and early 50s supported Israel wholeheartedly; they saw Israel as the underdog. The people who reached adulthood in the 60s and 70s saw the 1967 war and saw a militarized grown-up state holding it's own. The 80's and 90's adults saw them as over-weaponized and aggressive. And people reaching adulthood after 2000 saw them as overly aggressive, oppressive and approaching genocide (that opinion forming before the current genocide, obs).

The Israeli government knows the US opinion had been generationally changing as well. It's why they've invested so much money in AIPAC, news organizations and US politicians, and why they're constantly supporting older-generation politicians.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not really what?

If the US government drops support for Israel, it's going to get attacked by Iran.

Iran has stated this publically, and it's not some idle threat, they've been attacking Israel even with the support in place.

If you think that the US population is mad about Palestinians dying in gaza, just wait to see how upset they will get when the people dying are white and being killed by an Islamic state invading.

The reason the adults from the 40s supported Israel is because.... That's when it got invaded by multiple Islamic states.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And Israel would richly deserve it. Israel has attacked Iran how many times? How many murders on Iranian soil? For Iran its a matter of self defense.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Iran started that fight the moment they had their Islamic revolution and started funding militias to fight against Israel.

They were allies up until that revolution in Iran.

Why does everyone think Israel started that beef?

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Iran funded militias to fight Israel because of what israel did to Palestine. Iranian revolution was 1978. Nakba was 1948.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Israel was created as a state by the UN after the other people who lived in that region (Formerly the Ottoman Empire) fought for the Axis and lost in the world wars.

There were other territories that were also carved up and handed to other countries, and you don't see the same issues there because their neighbors didn't invade them because they were unhappy with the borders drawn by the UN.

Israel has quite literally been under attack by multiple other countries since it was created.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Israel has quite literally been under attack by multiple other countries since it was created.

And quite literally started stealing land and attacking locals from the very first minutes of the creation of israel. Israel is always playing the victim but they are only a victim of some minor consequences of their own bullying and criminality. Isrsel should never have been created and the UN should fix this problem they created by kicking Israel back to the US, Russia and Europe where they belong.

They lack the respect for justice to proceed as any sort of legitimate state. They are an armed camp of bandits. Israel is not about a jewish homeland. its about theft and always has been. Jewish people already had a homeland in the jewish autonomous oblast. They had it for ten years before they started thieving and murdering in the middle east.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The vast majority of Israeli citizens are all in on this genocide. They love it! Let the Arabs overrun the place. I no longer give a fuck. They have forfeited their underdog card.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago

And so you're okay with a genocide against them instead?

Great logic there.