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I think ethnic cleansing like mentioned in your link is bad. But does that justify Hamas attacking Israeli civilians? You mention liberation from the Nazis - the British and Americans bombed Dresden to try to defeat the Nazis, but they bombed many civilians, which is why some people see that attack as morally bad. The nuking of Japan also killed many civilians, and is also seen as pretty terrible. If attacking civilians in those cases was bad (it probably was) then maybe Hamas attacking Israeli civilians was bad, and Israel attacking Palestinian civilians was bad.
attacking civilians is bad.. however. every israeli citizen is a member of the IDF and is required to undergo training and to be ready to be called up for war at any time.
so while attacking civilians is bad, there is a huge difference when you kill women, children, or protesters with rocks vs attacking well trained people off duty.
i am sure there are some PSYCHOs in hamas, there are PSYCHOs in every army. go out and read the history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_return_to_Israel
Yitzhak Pundak, commander of the 6th brigade, later testified
One day I was summoned to the central front. In the bureau of Maj. Gen. Zvi Ayalon, and in the presence of intelligence officer Binyamin Jibli, I was ordered to liquidate every infiltrator encountered by our forces, and as deterrence to leave the body in the field, to make an example of it. . When I asked why there was no order in writing, the general and the intelligence officer emphasized that they were speaking in the name of the chief of staff. Gradually the trails filled up with bloated bodies. ... The stench that spread through the area reached our outposts and soldiers started to suffer from headaches, dizziness, nausea and breathing difficulties
btw "infiltrator" is the word used for any man woman or child trying to go home
Women and children were killed by Hamas in 2023 right? Also Israelis might be made to train in the IDF but that doesn't mean every Israeli supports an aggressive policy towards Palestinians.
I'm not trying to take either side really - I think both Israel and Hamas should not have killed civilians. You said I should read the history, yeah maybe I should. Palestinians who were forcibly expelled from what is now Israel, maybe they should get compensation from Israel.
israel passed a law that no one will ever get anything for what was taken.
so i ask you . at what point should france have just accepted that nazis owed france?
at what point should ukraine stop fighting russia and just let them have the land they have taken?
you can look at the history. israel has deliberately targeted civilians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine
even their own.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Alon_Shamriz,_Yotam_Haim,_and_Samer_Talalka
The men had emerged from a building and were approaching a group of IDF soldiers when they were shot dead, in spite of the fact that they were shirtless and visibly unarmed while waving a makeshift white flag and calling out for help in Hebrew.
( deliberately killing civilians is a war crime)
do i take a side? yes the side that has killed less civilians deliberately.
That's why I mentioned Dresden though. The Allies did bomb German civilians in Dresden as part of their efforts to defeat the Nazis, and that attack has been criticised because they harmed civilians, rather than just military targets.
Anyway, if we're going to say that Israel should never have been established by force and forced expulsions of Palestinians, perhaps that is true. I suppose the same can be said about the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. Therefore maybe Israel should pay compensation to Palestinian families who were affected by forced expulsion.
I see. Personally though if I came across two serial killers, one of whom had killed 5 people, and the other of whom had killed 20 people, I would say both were wrong. I wouldn't say that the killer of 5 people was necessarily a better person. If both of these killers had the same firepower, maybe they both would have killed similar numbers of civilians.