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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Ok, making progress.

The convention happened in August of 2024.

That was run by the DNC chair Biden appointed when he became president in 2020.

Obviously that chair fucking sucked and was a huge problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime_Harrison

The only reason he got chair, was he was good at getting money from billionaires.

In February of 2025, the ~400 voting members of the DNC realized how bad that strategy was, and pivoted hard left to Ken Martin. But again, they didn't have any say in 2020, Biden named Harrison back the .

Being mad at Ken Martin in 2025, for things Jamie Harrison did...

Is like if October of 2021, you kept blaming Biden for everything trump did during his first term. Because they both hold/held the same title.

Does any of that help you understand?

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

It's not worth arguing with someone who's sole purpose in life is too me an obtuse twat with that says nothing of value, just negativity for the sake of being edgy and anti establishment. There's no room for logic and reasoning with this one.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The new chair also sucks. Listen to the interview Jon Stewart did with him on his podcast. The guy has no direction or vision for the party.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Listen to the interview Jon Stewart did with him on his podcast

I haven't heard it yet, but probably will look it up.

The guy has no direction or vision for the party.

I mean, we can look at how he ran Minnesota for a decade and the results that came with that

But the single largest thing he's doing now, is literally the largest reinvestment into state parties ever. With extra money going to red/purple states where we can gain House seats and state government positions.

Those state parties have been running at campaign levels all year, something that was only happening in the 6 months leading up to a general the instantly shuttered the morning after the election.

It's fucking huge. Especially considered how prior DNC was literally bankrupting the state parties and that's the only reason republicans even had a shot in the House.

Like, I mean this sincerely and without insult, but:

The vast majority of people that think Martin and what he's doing isn't enough, just have no idea how bad shit really was at the DNC under Harrison and past neoliberal leadership.

Martin isn't everything we could ask for, but he's more than enough for what we need.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

All of that is great, but he's ignoring the biggest problem with the democratic party. It's such a "big tent" that it lacks a cohesive vision. That's why only strongly charismatic leaders like Obama are able to do well. Listen to the interview, I completely understand where Martin is coming from and he wants the voters to dictate the direction of the party without putting the thumb of the DNC on the scale. That's great and all, but it also kind of throws out the entire point of the party as a platform and a sort of shorthand for a set of policies. It doesn't surprise me at all that Martin's vision worked at a state level, but how does it work at a national level? Hopefully it works well and certainly it can't be worse that what was previously being done.

That interview was pretty wild. It was like he was trying to gaslight Jon the entire time. Jon would bring up a point and Martin would respond with a "yes and." However, that "and" would be an elaborate way of saying "actually no."

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That’s great and all, but it also kind of throws out the entire point of the party as a platform and a sort of shorthand for a set of policies

Only if you think the purpose of the party is how neoliberals weilded it for decades...

That's not what the party should do, it's not what its for, and a large issue with the current situation is that's how neoliberals used it.

It doesn’t surprise me at all that Martin’s vision worked at a state level, but how does it work at a national level?

Because it's easier to run a national party correctly than a state party correctly.

Like, you're on the right track. There's a shit ton of offices to manage at a state level, but for the DNC they literally just need to run a fair presidential.primary once every 4 years.

No more, no less.

That's why Ken's giving all that money back to the state parties. There's literally nothing it can be used for right now, so give it back to the state parties it was stolen from and who need it for midterms.

I 100% get why it seems like nothing is being done, but that's literally because a DNC operating correctly shouldn't have anything to do.

They shouldn't be prostelizing policy, they shouldn't be promoting candidates.

Any attempt to do so, will just result in eventually losing the party to neoliberals again. Because they can play the dirty game better.

It's gonna take a while for people to get used to it. But its gonna pay off in midterms, and then obviously in the next presidential primary.

Quick edit:

Think of it like the Middle East.

The wealthy consolidated power in the DNC, because it's easier to control a single person with massive power, the DNC chair.

Martin is undoing all that. Disseminating the "power" (money) back to all the state parties. Which even when he's gone makes it harder for the wealthy to seize control.of the next chair.

If he kept the power (funds) and tried to weild it for good, it would be easier for a neoliberal to grab.

We gotta throw the ring into the volcano, we can't turn into Gollum.