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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Here we go again you keep talking about Netanyahu which we all know he is a terrible war criminal. Yet you can't admit that Israel always wanted the whole land . I showed you that Shimon Perez who was his opponent was as bad as Netanyahu. I showed you Israeli leaders all over the decades defending occupation. I will repeat them again

after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine - The terrorist and first prime minister of Israel Ben Gurion

partition might be only a temporary arrangement for the next twenty to twenty-five years - Chaim Weizmann

The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” -  Menachem Begin

https://www.972mag.com/yitzhak-rabin-oslo-accords-aoc/

https://www.palquest.org/en/historictext/24965/yitzhaq-rabin%E2%80%99s-address-knesset-after-israeli-palestinian-agreement

We would like this to be an entity which is less than a state, and which will independently run the lives of the Palestinians under its authority. The borders of the State of Israel, during the permanent solution, will be beyond the lines which existed before the Six Day War. We will not return to the 4 June 1967 lines. Yitzhak Rabin

There is Israeli leaders that are less honest than others that's all. All of them do not want a Palestinian state

[–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Do you think Arafat wanted an Israeli state?

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

So now you even deny that Arafat wanted an Israeli state. Have some shame please

https://2001-2009.state.gov/p/nea/rls/22579.htm

The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security. - Yasser Arafat

In return Rabin recognized the PLO but not the Palestinian state. So we know very well that it is Israel who never ever recognized the other side based on 67 border

Since you keep ignoring evidence I have to copy again the same proofs

https://www.palquest.org/en/historictext/24965/yitzhaq-rabin%E2%80%99s-address-knesset-after-israeli-palestinian-agreement

We would like this to be an entity which is less than a state, and which will independently run the lives of the Palestinians under its authority. The borders of the State of Israel, during the permanent solution, will be beyond the lines which existed before the Six Day War. We will not return to the 4 June 1967 lines. Yitzhak Rabin

[–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not asking whether Arafat agreed to Oslo - we know he did. I'm asking whether you think he was keeping his fingers crossed behind his back when he did. You seem to think this was the case for Rabin and Perez, so why don't you extend the same courtesy to Arafat?

I think it would be very interesting for you to read up on Netanyahu's criticism of the Oslo Accords from back when he was an opposition leader running against Perez. You'll be happily surprised to find out he was using the exact same arguments as you are now, claiming the other side could never be trusted.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

I'm not asking whether Arafat agreed to Oslo

You asked if Arafat recognized the state of Israel and he did and I provided you the evidence. I gave you ststements from Israeli leaders from all eras and ignored them

You'll be happily surprised to find out he was using the exact same arguments as you are now, claiming the other side could never be trusted.

You are the one who keep blaming palestinian for the maintenance of the occupation like Netenyahu claim and all Israel leaders refused to give Palestinians a full fledged state with full sovereignty