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[–] snooggums@piefed.world 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

How does this 'kinda work'?

[–] TheseusNow@lemmy.zip 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It doesn't. Cracking programs don't use the user login form repeatedly. They use the same algorithm that creates the publicly encoded password to generate encoded passwords and keep going until they have a match. Besides getting the encoded password and salt, everything is done offline.

This just creates a really bad user experience.

[–] camelbeard@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

If they actually use the real login form, most websites block an account after X attempts. Sometimes for 1-24 hours, sometimes until you do a PW reset

[–] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io 78 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It rejects the first [correct] login attempt (it’s worded poorly). It assumes that a brute force attacker will try any given password once and move on, while a human user will think they made a typo and try again. This works until the attacker realizes that it takes two attempts, in which case it merely doubles the attempts required to breach the account, and simply requiring an additional password character would be vastly more effective.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 40 points 1 day ago (5 children)

What a shitty user experience for regular users.

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 96 points 1 day ago (1 children)

which is why they made a comic instead of a revolutionary thought leading blog post

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

Hey now, I'm sure there's someone on LinkedIn suggesting this exact thing with layers of corporate speak.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Yup it’s like how software companies will get a hate on for pirates and take it out on their loyal paying cutosmers

[–] petersr@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Look, we all need to pay a little for the greater good of security.

/s

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 17 points 1 day ago

Just like captcha

Agreed, and also makes it readily known that that is what you are doing.

The sneakier more user friendly way to implement it would be to require the second correct attempt only if the user has made an incorrect attempt since the last successful login.

[–] black0ut@pawb.social 23 points 1 day ago

All tools that bruteforce passwords attempt each password only once, and if it doesn't work, discard it. Nobody really runs 2 identical attacks back to back (they're incredibly slow when done over the internet), so the password would seem uncrackable at first glance.

This approach wouldn't work with hash cracking, vault breaking or file encryption, because once they get their hands on the hash/vault/file, the attacker can use their own code for hashing/checking a password candidate.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They'll change the correct password every time because they are told it is wrong.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

Don't worry, a not-insignificant number of users probably use "Forgot Password?" every time because they can't keep track of the correct one. Lol

I suspect this is why we started to see all those "use a temporary password instead" options lately. XD