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I've got a couple thousand hours in Rocket League over the years but Epic has successfully made it so insufferable that I haven't played it in about a year. Such a shame.
Stop killing games? What about stop fucking up games?
We seriously need to have a long conversation about what constitutes a refund on a game. I got several thousand hours of good times out of this game but the game that I paid for is no longer available.
The thing is, you never paid for a "game" in the first place. You paid for a license with a whole boatload of conditions.
The thing that needs to be fixed is not refunds, but what "buying" something digital means in the first place.
I didn't say I purchased a game, I said I paid for a game. Whether that's a "purchase" or a "license" is irrelevant to the fact that I can't even play the game I "licensed" either.
They have altered the license. Pray they do not alter it further.
Hmm, your original response pre-edit was a lot nicer.
I also didn't use the word purchase. You said "paid for a game", I quoted you as saying you "paid for a game".
Why are you pretending I misquoted you?
Because the difference seemed to be what your point was. If it wasn't, I have no idea what it was. I paid for a license for a game. Thus I paid for a game.
That was my point -- I was building off of what you said...
This is exactly the problem. This should be true, but it isn't in most cases.
Store's like GOG get much closer by giving you a DRM free copy. But some would say that even then, if you aren't allowed to modify and distribute that, you don't really own the game either.
Okay so if I didn't pay for a license for a game, what did I pay for?
You did, and that licence comes with plenty of terms that can restrict or revoke your access to that game.
Which shouldn't be allowed, but it is.
In an ideal world, you wouldn't have to purchase a license to the game at all. You could purchase the game itself by receiving a packaged copy of it along with a copy of the source code.
But something inbetween would be a nice start.
Great, I'm glad we sorted that out. Thanks for the unnecessary clarification.
Lol you say you want a discussion and then act like a dickhead when someone engages in that discussion.
Nice work.
I didn't say I wanted a discussion? Why are you misquoting me? I just honestly have no fucking idea what your point is and it's tiresome. Goodbye now.
This you?
Skill issue.
How convenient that you omitted the part of the sentence that describes what the conversation is about. It wasn't this.
Yeah, it was about what constitutes a refund, which I built upon...
You didn't build upon anything, you exclusively attempted to derail the conversation into some sort of ridiculous semantics argument that I still don't understand.
I didn't attempt to derail anything, nor did I make any kind of "ridiculous semantics argument".
That you don't understand it continues not to surprise me.
It's a wish list of what companies hope they can enforce. In the EU Windows licenses are transferable, for example.
One day a judge can say you actually paid for a Game.
Shut the fuck up with your pedantic points. We are broadly talking about having fun with a game. Who the fuck cares if I don't own it after 10 years? People mature, fads fade, and games get stale. Do I like it? No. But I am not going to derail all other conversations to make it about the point I am determined to shove into every around me. Fuck off.
Somebody needs a hug.
At what point do we as consumers stop clicking "Accept" on 200 page agreements?
As soon as we stop needing those services. Most of the time it's:
No, legislate them away.
The game itself hasn’t changed at all since Epic acquisition. The only significant changes they have made are making it free and removing trading which don’t affect gameplay.
How about them making the variants like Snow Day unavailable unless it's in season, or at least that's how it looked to me when I logged back on after a year or two of not playing. I also remember when you could play Snow Day and it wasn't competitive.
Yeah, Snow Day and Dropshot are seasonal for ranked play. That’s because they were not popular enough on their own so it was taking too long to find matches at high ranks, making it hard to get the season title. Has nothing to do with the Epic acquisition though, just a need to reduce fragmentation on the player pool.
I would venture a guess that they are not popular enough because of the changes they made. I do recall a ton of people being pissed when they switched them to not having a casual option and went to ranked only. I wasn't sure about the epic acquisition having an effect though. Thanks.
They were made ranked on 2018, and Rocket League had its peak in player base around 2020-2021 after it became free. Unfortunately that was followed by a huge drop in player base in 2022, which led to the extra modes changes in 2023.
The changes they've made are adding 348953754 pop-ups every time you open a game or finish a match, and completely useless servers.
it has been like this since 2017. Now there’s maybe 1 or 2 extra pop-ups for the game pass garbage. Not that it’s a good thing, but it’s hardly a difference if it’s about 2 pop-ups or 4 pop-ups.
Do you seriously think Epic servers are worse than what they had before? Psyonix servers were famously horrible to the point that the CEO had to issue a statement in 2017: https://www.rocketleague.com/en/news/server-performance-a-letter-from-our-ceo/
Followed by another Psyonix statement a year later: https://www.rocketleague.com/en/news/rocket-league-server-performance-update
It hasn't.
No I don't. I know they are. Like the game is literally and unironically unplayable anymore. Maybe that's an issue that's affecting me specifically somehow but I don't have problems with any other games.
Great points. I now agree with you.
Glad we could find common ground 🙏
same thing happened to me for TF2: the game became free, but the game as released was no longer available... I'm looking forward to TF2 classic mod release. Apparently can already play it with the source sdk, but I haven't found time to try that yet 😅
Maybe people will do something similar for rocket league... 🤞
I haven't played rocket league since before they acquired it, what have they done to it?